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Ok, I have been looking at the SWFD all day and need some help. My parents and older sister are traveling to Phoenix this weekend to help another sister shop for a home in the New River/Anthem area. I have to program a BCT-15 and a BCD396T for my pops so he can listen to what kind of activity is going on in the areas they will be looking for homes in.
If I program in the Outlet Center Intellirepeater for PRWN. What TG's do I need to put in so he can listen to just New River/ Anthem and maybe way north phx? Will he be able to hear A and B simulcast off the Outlet Center?
Anything non-DIG P25 that I can put in the BCT-15?

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No, program Simulcast A, regardless of location. The reason for this is that the radios on PRWN will only affiliate with the Outlet Mall site if they CAN'T affiliate with A. So it's doubtful you'll hear anything if you just lock onto the outlet mall. Besides, lots of activity in this city - there's no reason to not want to monitor as much of it as you can.

For the BCT15, there's plenty of analog stuff out here to monitor. I'd put in Phoenix Fire, DPS Metro Central and Metro West (also covers the north valley), all the news and helo freqs the SWFD lists for the media, and Deer Valley Airport.

For the 396, all of the above plus the PRWN Simulcast A/PPD System, MCSO White Tanks and Luke AFB. That will make for PLENTY of interesting listening. If your pops gets the chance, tell him to head for the north end of the runway at Luke. You can watch numerous military aircraft coming and going all day long on weekdays. My kids LOVED it when we went.

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Ok, I have been looking at the SWFD all day and need some help. My parents and older sister are traveling to Phoenix this weekend to help another sister shop for a home in the New River/Anthem area. I have to program a BCT-15 and a BCD396T for my pops so he can listen to what kind of activity is going on in the areas they will be looking for homes in.
If I program in the Outlet Center Intellirepeater for PRWN. What TG's do I need to put in so he can listen to just New River/ Anthem and maybe way north phx? Will he be able to hear A and B simulcast off the Outlet Center?
Anything non-DIG P25 that I can put in the BCT-15?

Thanks,

Bryan

If your Dad is trying to just listen to learn what type of neighborhood your sister is looking at, that far North is PD's 900 area, so I'd recommend PRWN talkgroups:
900A, 900B (they are usually patched together so only one or the other will come in at a time but program both),
Tac 6, Tac 9 (again seem to be patched together a lot, program both)
600A, 600B (patched, hopefully someone else can say whether these are necessary or not, I don't "think" they are for your area.)

Outlet Center would seem to be the right site to monitor. Simulcast A and B may be very spotty. Possibly the Lake Pleasant site also. Set all these sites up so the scanner doesn't just grab one of them and not check the other sites. When you say "hear Simulcast A and B off the Outlet Center" I hope you mean that talkgroups working on Simulcast A and B. IF there is a unit on that talkgroup affiliated at Outlet you'll hear stuff for that talkgroup from Outlet, IF no radios are affiliated at Outlet, that talkgroup won't be broadcast from Outlet.

Another system I'd recommend would be Maricopa County. Hopefully someone else has a good recommendation on what talkgroups from what sites (Towers Mtn?, Thompson Peak?) to program.

For the BCT-15, the Highway patrol district for that area might also be a consideration but again I'm not confident of the specifics & defer to others to provide that info.

Hey everybody, anything I'm forgetting? Thanks AZScanner, you were typing while I was!
 
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Thanks guys. I'll try to throw something together for him. He mainly monitors DPS on his way to Buckeye.
He was asking me for city police for the Anthem/New River area so I have been working yesterday and will work on it tonight for him again.
The BCD396T is new for him and me. So this is the first time I have had to deal with PRWN P25.

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Sounds like your goal is to find a low crime area. You might be better served by checking out the crime reports maps.

http://phoenix.gov/POLICE/crista1.html

This should give you a more accurate overview than trying to sample a few police calls on your radio scanner. Click on the 'Crime Hot Spots Map'.

A good example is the property crimes map where you will notice a large number of property crimes around the Metro Center Mall area. This 'hot spot' is in a rather neutral crime area but has a large number of property crimes, most all of which will not be dispatched over the radio.

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www.freqofnature.com

Ok, I have been looking at the SWFD all day and need some help. My parents and older sister are traveling to Phoenix this weekend to help another sister shop for a home in the New River/Anthem area. I have to program a BCT-15 and a BCD396T for my pops so he can listen to what kind of activity is going on in the areas they will be looking for homes in.
If I program in the Outlet Center Intellirepeater for PRWN. What TG's do I need to put in so he can listen to just New River/ Anthem and maybe way north phx? Will he be able to hear A and B simulcast off the Outlet Center?
Anything non-DIG P25 that I can put in the BCT-15?

Thanks,

Bryan
 
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I have to program a BCT-15 and a BCD396T for my pops so he can listen to what kind of activity is going on in the areas they will be looking for homes in.

While I can under stand wanting to listen to what is going on in those areas, your dad or sister should contact those department. They will know what has gone on in the past as far as crime or the lack of. You can't get that kind of info by listening to a scanner for a few hours driving around looking at houses. Just explain to the front desk at the PD why you are asking for that info and I will bet they will be more than happy to share what they know. I can't tell you who many times people stop by my fire station and ask me the same thing. Just my .02 worth.
 

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[FreqOfNature] thanks for that link. That is really helpful.
[Fire Master 21] Thanks, I'll let him know.
 

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While I can under stand wanting to listen to what is going on in those areas, your dad or sister should contact those department. They will know what has gone on in the past as far as crime or the lack of. You can't get that kind of info by listening to a scanner for a few hours driving around looking at houses. Just explain to the front desk at the PD why you are asking for that info and I will bet they will be more than happy to share what they know. I can't tell you who many times people stop by my fire station and ask me the same thing. Just my .02 worth.

Definitely an idea worth trying but i bet they won't. Crime stats are a often treated as source embarrassment especially if they are not good. Developing information, forming an opinion or making a decision based on a few hours of monitoring is not the best way to make a decision here in my opinion cant hurt but I would seek more input.

When you ge to the PD- don't be surprised when you get little to no information. I have seen coworkers get in real hot water engaging in such conversations when they are candid and a real estate agent looses a sale. In these days of Political Correctness, community based feel good programs and IA Investigations at the drop of a hat, all foster a chilling toward the PD telling you anything bad.

Remember crime stats are a huge money game and are often heavily manipulated in the lower profile categories (not murders, robberies and sex assaults but other stuff) where no one notices and there migth be some grant money at stake. One of my favorite sayiings: "you can use stats like a drunk uses a light standard- for support or illumination". Commonly, PD's use them to support ecomonic goals.

If you Really want to know what is going on, try to happen across a beat cop in the area you are looking at. if there are no witnesses around and you approach him/her with 'this is between me and you conversation, I do not even want to know your name and this between us" kinda presentation then I would say you stand a chance at the truth.

You also have to ask for a personal opinion- not the departments view- 'Would you live in this area?" might be a good place to start. Generally, speaking, I would never encourage someone to contact a cop on the street but in this circumstance, it is about the only way.

Do not attempt contact on a car stop, obviously on call or flag down an cop. Find one alone, perhaps parked and writing or otherwise making use of downtime.

Approach from the front, park and walk up- do not pull up next to him.her. Make sure they know you are there before you approach. A conscientious cop will likely get out of the car to contact you rather than be trapped in a tin can- this pisses them off abit also. Either way you have seconds to convert this into a positive contact.

Reassure them, remember you usaully exit a business contact the same way you enter it- if it goes badly from the get-go just forget it and move on graciously.Be prepared for this and do not take it personally. just move on.

Either way, APOLOGIZE right off the bat for bothering them because you will be - cops hate this type of citizen initiated contact- it usually not good news. A small community policing station might be a better place to start- just try not to ask the copper in front of any witnesses or you will get the PC answer. If you are referred to the PD then you are being told that he/she does not feel comfortable about talking about this subject. You are likely done at this point and will have to go to the PD. Tell them this conversation is completely between you and them, they might open up but probably not.

Back to the PD, be prepared to get nothing more than a view of some crime mapping data or a conversation with a supervisor who has never really worked the street or has not in sometime. You will likely get only middle of the road answers either because he/she has no idea what is really taking place in the area or is paid to paint pretty pictures for the public. Crime reporting is only about 1/3 of the story of a neighborhood- the rest only the beat cops really know.

If you do get any 'REAL' answers, DO NOT SHARE THEM WITH YOUR REAL ESTATE AGENT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. You will likely be setting fire to that cop. Keep it to yourself. Real estate agents tend to be territorial and petty folks when their commission is at stake and want to be your sole source of information- especially if they trying to shoehorn you into a particular place.

Please forgive grammar and spelling errors. I am typing this from bed. my back is killing me and my concentration and accuracy it a bit off at the moment. Good luck the move.
 
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Thanks for the advice. But, my father is a 10 yr police veteran. He had to give it up due to a on the job injury during a traffic stop.
I am sure he knows the caveats.
That is good advice though.
 
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