What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is going on with JPSO???

[kd5pck]

I turned on my PRO-96 today to hear nothing coming from the JPSO system. I normally scan the system in the closed mode so I switched to open mode. Not a thing was as it was last Friday. All new talkgroups were appearing that I have never seen before.
I checked to make sure I had the system frequincies correct, which I did.
Here's where it gets interesting.
The database shows the frequency of 868.850 as one of the control channels. In the manual mode with the scanner tuned to this frequency, the scanner displays the following on the bottom line:

M36:7709 99%

This corresponds with the database's sysid listed.

Now with the scanner manually tuning another control channel, 868.900, the scanner displays the following on the bottom line, alternating between the two:

96:BEE00 99%
96:SY1BD 99%

This was about 7 am this morning. Around 9am, still tuning the control channel of 868.900, the display showed the two lines above, still alternating, but also added a third line:

96:T0201 99%

Anyone know what all this means?

I was not able to hear any traffic from the system untill I locked out the control frequency of 868.850 . The scanner kept locking on to the that frequency which had no traffic on it.

The following are the talkgroups that I monitored for about 4 hours today. Another listener stopped by to discuss it and made the observation that all talkgroups beginning with 27xxx were from Jefferson Parish and those starting with 29xxx was Orleans Parish traffic. I montored for awhile after he told me that and found it to be true. Words in quotes are what I heard being said.

27618 "one alpha 30"
27619 unit being dispatched to address on Lamar Ave. in Marrero (WB). "two alpha 5"

27620 Westbank Units being dispatched "ALPHA 20" and "WEGO 52"
27621 "headquarters to four alpha 7" units being dispatched to call on Craig Ave. and also Cypress St. Is this the fourth district ?

27628
27632 TALK 1
27640
27646 NCIC ?
27670 talk channel ?
27678 talk of Riverdale High School
27693
27697
27711
27712
27816 "headquarters to 20"
27901 City of Kenner PD
27908 City of Kenner PD


29273
29274 NOPD
29275 heard a unit "calling any third district officer" also reference to an address on Felicity on N.O.

29276 NOPD
29278
29290
29291
29292
29315
29337 NCIC ?
29338
29344
29354 talk of following a subject in a vehicle near Camp and Napoleon Streets in N.O.(possibly narcotics units?)

29359
29375
29382 units following a suspect in vehicle (narcotics units?)
29562 fire dept. being dispatched to John Churchill St. in N.O.
29563 fire dept.
29568
29577 heard someone "testing" radio
29619 NOPD Unit dispatch being dispatched to a location on the westbank
29700 Unit dispatched to S.Carrollton and Foucher in N.O.
29717
29786
29789 EMS talking to unknown hospital about male patient enroute to hospital
29824

I was not able to understand any traffic on the following talkgroups either because audio was low or garbled.

28529
28576
28577
28856 "222 to headquarters"
28858
28934

One talkgroup that became active was pretty strange. ID number 41676 came alive only two times while I was monitoring. Each time all I heard was, "test, test, 1,2,3".

Anyone have any thoughts?

 

[worm6448]

Jefferson Parish trs

The jefferson parish trs has been rolled into the latie system. SID=01bdh-0201 site 201

no idea how it is connected with the 700mhz part of the system, but all agencies have xts5000 700/800mhz radios, including ours. All agencies that made the switch on sunday morning seem to have switched onto this 800 system. NOPD, NOFD, NOHD, JPSO, SBSO,SBFD, PPSO, and all jefferson parish municipal agencies(gretna, kenner, harahan, weswego, etc.).

The new system is on control ch. 868.900. the original jpso system is on control ch. 868.850. this system will remain operational as a fall back (that is how it is programmed it the radio) until at least the new system is perfected.

so far since being issued my new radio almost a year ago it has been reprogrammed by the radio tech's at least 5 times. I guess eventually they will make up their mind how this new la tie is supposed to work and get it right.

if i get any more info i will try to post something.

 

[250d]

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They have switched to the latie system,But what is good about a pro 96 is that you can monitor this sysem because its a link from the latie its almost like being re broadcasted on this system.
Put this in a bank 868.350,868.550.868.900 just these and you will hear some of jp,nopd,nofd,narc,ems,but i know for sure the edac system there still broadcasting the fire on it id is 08-041 thats it,need more lets us know...

 

[WooBuff]

JPEMS and JPFIRE will also be switching to this system in March.

 

[Radio_Bob]

They have switched to the latie system,But what is good about a pro 96 is that you can monitor this sysem because its a link from the latie its almost like being re broadcasted on this system.
Put this in a bank 868.350,868.550.868.900 just these and you will hear some of jp,nopd,nofd,narc,ems,but i know for sure the edac system there still broadcasting the fire on it id is 08-041 thats it,need more lets us know...

Been away from the scanning scene too long...then I read the article in the paper about the new 700 MHz system being operable and flipped my BC250D on and heard..... ..... .. ..

nada!

So, is it time to save up for a new radio, or will I be able to limp by with the above freqs. for a while? I mostly listen to JPSO.

P.S. Just loaded up the freqs. suggested by 250d above and I get nothing...no data buzz, no TGs. Durn, I hate having to buy a new radio!

P. P.S. Hi, Scott!

 

[kd5pck]

Here's some new talkgroups that I heard today that I did not hear yesterday:

27634
27694
27692
27715
27696
27693 ( not a new one but heard "open the infirmary". Could this be the JP correctional center?

29289
29293
29254
29259
29564


I also sat an wrote down the other frequencies that were popping up as voice channels on the PRO-96. Here's what I got:

851.9375
866.1625
867.3625
867.0375
867.7375
867.5750
868.7500
868.1375
868.6750
868.2750
868.6000
868.9000 (control channel)

Sorry it's not in numerical order.

I read the story in the paper today, too. Here's the link:

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/metro/index.ssf?/base/news-19/116962458198400.xml&coll=1

Myself and another ham have been trading notes on this system. We have been able to identify some of the users. I will try to post more in the next few days.
There is still data being streamed over the old control channel frequency, 868.5000. There's just no activity.
The Jefferson Parish(Old Analog) System that is in the database is still alive and well. It seems that the municipal depts. from Jerfferson Parish and the city of Kenner have not abandoned it. EMS for both sides of the river is still using the system.

WORM,
Thanks for the information. What agency do you work for, may I ask?

BOB,
Guess you will have to buy a new radio soon. I feel for you!! HA! HA! I jsut got a new PRO-2096 for the truck so I could monitor JPSO while on the move and now it seems like that's going to be outdated. Guess it wasn't such a good deal after all...

 

[kd5pck]

Another note. I have noticed that the JPSO have been using more plain language. Such as saying" I am on the scene" and "I am in service", instead of using the 10 codes. Also, I have heard the dispatch say "I'm direct" instead of using 10-4. What's up with that??

 

[kevins669]

From what I have observed tonight, the system has been implemented as planned - this seems to be the regional system for the "non-state" agencies, which is what the region 1 agencies were in the process of implementing prior to the storm. They are using the dual-band radios to maximize frequencies, using all of the existing 800 JPSO licensed frequencies, as well as the new 700 ones. That is why you will continue to hear some things on the "old" JPSO system. There will be channel grants to those 800 mhz frequencies, as there are fewer 700 ones on the master site (1).

It is a sub-system of LATIE, on network 2. These sub-system net 2 sites began coming online a few months ago. There are 6 of these, and so far I have only been able to locate 3 of them with 100% certainty.

The only traffic on the LATIE statewide network 1 is the same traffic that has been there - National Guard, links to NOPD, and others.

I will post additional information as I can figure more out, depending on my free time

Kevin

 

[250d]

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radio bob oh it seems i,m not the only one who is picking it up useing a pro 96,so whos quoting who now....

 

[kevins669]

Another note. I have noticed that the JPSO have been using more plain language. Such as saying" I am on the scene" and "I am in service", instead of using the 10 codes. Also, I have heard the dispatch say "I'm direct" instead of using 10-4. What's up with that??

This is being implemented since ICS and NIMS require plain English during inter-agency type emergencies. Some federally funded grants also have this as a stipulation.

ICS and NIMS do not require it all of the time, but the JPSO has done a great job of adopting new standards in the past, and it shows they can get the job done overnight, for their everyday communications.

It does sound very awkward...

 

[red8]

The jefferson parish trs has been rolled into the latie system. SID=01bdh-0201 site 201

no idea how it is connected with the 700mhz part of the system, but all agencies have xts5000 700/800mhz radios, including ours. All agencies that made the switch on sunday morning seem to have switched onto this 800 system. NOPD, NOFD, NOHD, JPSO, SBSO,SBFD, PPSO, and all jefferson parish municipal agencies(gretna, kenner, harahan, weswego, etc.).

The new system is on control ch. 868.900. the original jpso system is on control ch. 868.850. this system will remain operational as a fall back (that is how it is programmed it the radio) until at least the new system is perfected.

so far since being issued my new radio almost a year ago it has been reprogrammed by the radio tech's at least 5 times. I guess eventually they will make up their mind how this new la tie is supposed to work and get it right.

if i get any more info i will try to post something.

Worm ,
Do I put in the tgid's in on the LATIE ? Because I reconfigured the new freqs with the 868.900 control channel
in there.

 

[loumaag]

As I stated in another thread here in the LA forum. JP was experimenting with rolling the 800 MHz frequencies into the LATIE system. For those of you who have Pro-96/2096 radios enjoy the fact that they are using the 800 MHz freqs. For those of you who don't already have a 9600 bps capable (Project 25) radio don't buy the RS models, buy either the Uniden BCD396T or BCD996T since those are the only two radios on the market that can Trunk Track in the 700 MHz range.

The fact that the 800 MHz frequencies are being used does not mean that they are being used exclusively. Indeed there is nothing to prevent an 800 MHz CCh from sending a channel grant for a 700 MHz frequency if they are on the same site; and as LATIE continues to grow, I suspect you will see this happen.

 

[kd5pck]

This is being implemented since ICS and NIMS require plain English during inter-agency type emergencies. Some federally funded grants also have this as a stipulation.

ICS and NIMS do not require it all of the time, but the JPSO has done a great job of adopting new standards in the past, and it shows they can get the job done overnight, for their everyday communications.

It does sound very awkward...

Kevin,
I should have completed my thought. I was aware that some agencies are beginning to use plain English and do away with the codes. Good move, I think. What I meant by "what's up with that?", was the use of "direct" when the dispatch was acknowledging a unit's traffic. Of all the terms to use, why "direct". But if it works for them, then good. I also find it interesting that when a unit is acknowledging the dispatcher, they are still saying, "10-4" ... not some other variation.
I suppose as listeners, we are going to see some changes in the near future concerning language and system usage.

 

[Radio_Bob]

For those of you who don't already have a 9600 bps capable (Project 25) radio...

Ahhh, that's why I can't hear anything (even on 800 MHz)! I'm stuck with 4800 bps!

So the question now is...which is cheaper: buy a new radio or move to where my 250D will still function? I guess there are a few other variables to consider! In the meantime, I guess I'll have to be content with whatever I can pick up (taxis?)

 

[kevins669]

Kevin,
I should have completed my thought. I was aware that some agencies are beginning to use plain English and do away with the codes. Good move, I think. What I meant by "what's up with that?", was the use of "direct" when the dispatch was acknowledging a unit's traffic. Of all the terms to use, why "direct". But if it works for them, then good. I also find it interesting that when a unit is acknowledging the dispatcher, they are still saying, "10-4" ... not some other variation.
I suppose as listeners, we are going to see some changes in the near future concerning language and system usage.

That is exactly correct... I had 2 conversations today regarding the use of "direct." If you compare it to the previous usage, it makes absolutely no sense in the context they are using it today. How about just roger or something

It is funny to hear them messing up... But I can certainly say they are doing much better than I would!

As far as sites go, I had to go to Picayune today, and I do not think there are any sites operating in the East on network 2.

JPSO always had very good coverage from the Galleria and Gretna sites, but I can't imaginge NOPD relying on those two alone for the switch.

I am planning to go downtown tomorrow, but I am not too confident in identifying a site active with the new traffic.

Kevin

 

[MASTRTECH]

The downtown site is on the Pan-am building on Poydras St. Thier STA shows the locations of the EDACS system, but nothing is there.

 

[loumaag]

"Direct"

Well, a long long time ago, back before repeaters and JP was still using VHF-LO, most of the time everything had to be relayed via the dispatcher. When a unit could hear another unit "direct" they would acknowledge that by saying "copied direct" so the dispatcher didn't have to relay the information. Now I know that they continued to use that terminology (infrequently) even up to the "trunking" system.

The current use does seem somewhat strange, but who knows.

 

[worm6448]

tgid verified

these are verified by me.
i had a little time to monitor the system with my xts and with my 396 side by side, of course listening to a channel on the xts and searching for the talkgroup on the 396.
Below is the list i have compiled so far... talkgroup and display name on the xts.

JPSO TALKGROUPS
JPSO DST-1 27618
JPSO DST-2 27619
JPSO DST-3 27620
JPSO DST-4 27621
JPSO TLK-1 27632
JPSO TLK-2 27633
JPSO TLK-3 27634
JPSO TLK-4 27635
jJPSO NCIC 27646

NOPD TALK GROUPS
NOPD DISP-1 29273
NOPD DISP-2 29274
NOPD DISP-3 29275
NOPD DISP-4 29276
NOPD DISP-5 29277
NOPD DISP-6 29278
NOPD DISP-7 29279
NOPD DISP-8 29280

D-TALK1 29289
D-TALK2 29290
D-TALK3 29291
D-TALK4 29292
D-TALK5 29293
D-TALK6 29294
D-TALK7 29295
D-TALK8 29296

NCIC 29337
CITY-1 29338
CITY-2 29339


PLAQUEMINES PARISH
PPSO - DISP 28856
as i have more time i will find more and will post.

 

[red8]

Hey lou
How are you doing? this red here, one of JPSO's old vhf low channels was the same as the EBR District Attorney's Office. And late at night you could hear them all the way up in Baton Rouge.
red8

 

[red8]

Worm,
Was those talk groups on the JP 800 or the LATIE? I have set up a new 800 with the new frequencies for the JP.
red8