Seems that almost every agency out here is Phase 2. I’d suppose it’s only a matter of time before DPS goes the same way ? Their UHF system seems to have really good coverage throughout the area though so maybe they have no plans to move to a Phase 2 system ? Always wondered about that.
When will DPS go Phase II ?
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Check out all the posts about AZ Wins Trunked System. Currently Phase I & can bridge to other systems to provide seemless coverage across other states & WiFi. At home or traveling, officers can connect their radio to wifi.
Radio coverage is secondary almost to some agencies as they can use wifi over RF.
Radio coverage is secondary almost to some agencies as they can use wifi over RF.
Just my .02 I don't think DPS will go Phase 2 for a while. 1st the push to complete coverage for the Phase 1 system is not going to be cheap. Second, there is the issue of capacity of talkgroups , and there is plenty of capacity in the current system. I think the system will eventually go encrypted so that will be that.
If one examines the AZ DPS strategic plan for FY21 - the only telecommunication goal on it was to replace a decades old mainframe that supports ACJIS. Nothing in the 8 other goals addresses wireless comms.
The FY22 budget is waiting disposition by the Legislature/Governor.
It certainly won't be this year or FY22.
The FY22 budget is waiting disposition by the Legislature/Governor.
It certainly won't be this year or FY22.
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CI Troopers have switched to the new system... Phoenix, Tucson & Yuma.
D12 & other district's Troopers are using it through the sites in their area along with WiFi.
D12 what I listen to most since their area 6 covers into Phoenix.
This allows roaming into Clark, Riverside, San Bernadino , San Diego & Los Angeles counties.. actually Most anywhere in the USA with Wifi which will eliminate the need for tower affiliation.
Several CI talkgroups have been active along with their Events Talkgroups.
Tower wise, depends how many radios are on with people in different areas to activate N MTN, South or White Tanks etc.
A lot of Arizona is relatively flat enabling 700 MHz service without greatly increasing the number of sites 700 MHz needs. This flatness exists, with a couple of exceptions north of the Mogollon Rim, then from approximately Phoenix south. The southeast portion of the state has a lot of "island in the sky" topography, which lends itself to 700 MHz coverage. If you are close to one mountain range and are shadowed out of the repeater on top of it, another mountain range's site might pick up your coverage. Now statewide the land in between, roughly on the south a line east from the California line along I-10 and continuing past Phoenix eastward along U.S. 70 and north to the Mogollon Rim is where Arizona has some rougher topography.
I don't mention the Colorado River and its canyons, as state agencies don't usually go down there, they leave that, for the most part, to the NPS. The river is NPS jurisdiction from the Utah state line to Davis Dam near Bullhead. The exception is the Hualapai Reservation where the tribe has jurisdiction of the south rim, down to the high water line of the river. The only portion of that with vehicle access is the so called "Diamond Creek" takeout.
So I'm going to be watching how many additional sites are going to be needed in what the folks in Payson call, "The Rim Country" as well as west from about Ash Fork. Given the scenic values, the national forests, some BLM land and several wilderness areas it will be interesting to see how quickly the state can get decent coverage in that area. Just because someone needs new electronic sites, doesn't mean they can or will be approved.
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CI Troopers have switched to the new system... Phoenix, Tucson & Yuma.
Several CI talkgroups have been active along with their Events Talkgroups.
Is that "CI" as in criminal investigator? Thanks!
CI Troopers have switched to the new system... Phoenix, Tucson & Yuma.
Several CI talkgroups have been active along with their Events Talkgroups.
Is that "CI" as in criminal investigator? Thanks!
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Yes.
Be safe to say District 2 & 12 also on the new system using
North CI Talkgroups.
Be safe to say District 2 & 12 also on the new system using
North CI Talkgroups.
Yes.
CID = Criminal Investigation Division. Everything from Governors' protection detail, to Task Forces, to Internal Affairs
CID = Criminal Investigation Division. Everything from Governors' protection detail, to Task Forces, to Internal Affairs
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Thanks, guys. I didn't want to assume. 
So for the DPS call signs
Mary - motorcycle unit
Charles - Capitol unit
Ida - no idea but hear it quite a bit
King - K-9 unit
Boarder unit - no clue
Frank - no clue
Sounds like 1810 and all the 18XX are commanders / higher ranking troopers since whenever there’s a major incident they seem to take command.
I’m sure I’m missing a ton of other radio call signs.
Mary - motorcycle unit
Charles - Capitol unit
Ida - no idea but hear it quite a bit
King - K-9 unit
Boarder unit - no clue
Frank - no clue
Sounds like 1810 and all the 18XX are commanders / higher ranking troopers since whenever there’s a major incident they seem to take command.
I’m sure I’m missing a ton of other radio call signs.
The DPS wiki page has some of those callsigns.
Arizona Department of Public Safety (AZ) - The RadioReference Wiki
The DPS wiki page has some of those callsigns.
Arizona Department of Public Safety (AZ) - The RadioReference Wiki
wiki.radioreference.com
I want to confirm with AZ members that the Flagstaff Communications Center was shut down and Phoenix took over those services. I think this was posted in an Arizona thread a year or two ago. Here is an official reference:
DPS OPERATIONAL COMMUNICATION (OPCOMM) BUREAU
Are these centers still using the id's of "Phoenix" and "Tucson" or are they using "Central" and "Southern?"
I can update the wiki page or someone else can.
Here is evidence: DPS to close Flagstaff dispatch center
The above is also an indication of fiscal issues at AZ DPS and the rollout of AZWINS and P-25/Phase II. AZ DPS troopers want a 12% pay raise to help bring in new hires to cover well over 200+ positions statewide.
www.fox10phoenix.com
AZ DPS wants a new rotary wing aircraft for EMS use.
www.fox10phoenix.com
The end result is that AZ DPS is going to have to shell out tens of millions to personnel issues and aviation. Completion of AZWINS and Phase 2 are a long way off and that assumes nothing else comes up as a priority or an emergency.
The above is also an indication of fiscal issues at AZ DPS and the rollout of AZWINS and P-25/Phase II. AZ DPS troopers want a 12% pay raise to help bring in new hires to cover well over 200+ positions statewide.
Troopers association asking Arizona State Legislature for big pay increase
The president of the Arizona State Trooper Association says pay discrepancy between troopers and other law enforcement agencies is contributing to a loss of troopers in recent years.
AZ DPS wants a new rotary wing aircraft for EMS use.
Arizona DPS asks for new helicopter for evacuations, search and rescue missions
The Arizona Department of Public Safety is attempting to get a new helicopter that would be used for medical evacuations, search and rescue missions, along with other tasks.
The end result is that AZ DPS is going to have to shell out tens of millions to personnel issues and aviation. Completion of AZWINS and Phase 2 are a long way off and that assumes nothing else comes up as a priority or an emergency.
Here is evidence: DPS to close Flagstaff dispatch center
The above is also an indication of fiscal issues at AZ DPS and the rollout of AZWINS and P-25/Phase II. AZ DPS troopers want a 12% pay raise to help bring in new hires to cover well over 200+ positions statewide.
Troopers association asking Arizona State Legislature for big pay increase
The president of the Arizona State Trooper Association says pay discrepancy between troopers and other law enforcement agencies is contributing to a loss of troopers in recent years.
AZ DPS wants a new rotary wing aircraft for EMS use.
Arizona DPS asks for new helicopter for evacuations, search and rescue missions
The Arizona Department of Public Safety is attempting to get a new helicopter that would be used for medical evacuations, search and rescue missions, along with other tasks.
The end result is that AZ DPS is going to have to shell out tens of millions to personnel issues and aviation. Completion of AZWINS and Phase 2 are a long way off and that assumes nothing else comes up as a priority or an emergency.
Reading the AZ Sun article made me think of the dispatchers whose positions were relocated to to Phoenix. As good as the job would have been, I think, just for myself, I would have quit. I lived in Flagstaff in the 1970's and moved away, looking back at that it had gotten too big for me in 1978. Now it is a nice sized city of about 70,000, but the total area is about 100,000. Since moving away I'm now living in the largest town, about 8,000 people, with the two intervening towns being under 700 people. Now that I'm older I'm staying because the hospital/health clinic is right across the street, otherwise I would move back to towns of under 1,000.
I will attempt to edit the wiki, something I find a bit challenging.
EDIT: the wiki page has been changed. It was easier to do than I thought. Interestingly, the patrol still has a Northern Bureau, but it is now dispatched by Phoenix.
I assume the id's of "Phoenix" and "Tucson" are still in use??? Someone please advise.
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I've been listening to AZ DPS District 12 on AZWins since 1100 hours and I can't make out the male dispatcher's style. It isn't the traditional DPS style of 'Phoenix, 1242... copy out at MP 290, with AZ DZN-211'. It is a lot of who's the unit with traffic?; are you Code 4, both with and without hot tone; ok; 10-4, etc. It sounds more like GMRS on Sunday morning.
Not once did I hear a contact or stop begin with Phoenix or Tucson...
Take it for what one might.
I'm out and going back to listening to ZAB - Ultra Hi, WalMart before the phones get to mine, and the local drive-thru.
Not once did I hear a contact or stop begin with Phoenix or Tucson...
Take it for what one might.
I'm out and going back to listening to ZAB - Ultra Hi, WalMart before the phones get to mine, and the local drive-thru.
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They no longer use the ID's you refer to. They only call with their call sign, ie: 1823. They do this because dispatch can be handled by either Phoenix or Tucson and has at times been moved from one to the other when necessary. The closure of the Flagstaff OpCom also resulted in the change to using strictly mile posts numbers instead of roadway names. Dispatchers from other locations were having trouble pronouncing some of the road names in Northern Arizona and they didn't have the geographical knowledge of road locations.
Lot's of large metro areas operate the same way. You may hear an officer just say "1256" and the dispatcher respond with same, then "1256 requesting 10-28 on Nevada ABC 123" Then "1256 your return." When I lived in Flagstaff in the 1970's they would announce the last 3 digits of the FCC license of the dispatch center, the name of the dispatch center and then their unit number. I have "861 Flagstaff (or just "Flag), 1256" ingrained in my head from those days. It was pronounced "twelve five six." I understand this was a badge number. I started listening to them right after the moved to VHF High from VHF Low.
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