Where are the 454Mhz FCC licenses?

[west-pac]

There is a statewide radio system in Indiana that has a handful of 454Mhz sites, however, when searching the database there are no 454Mhz licenses.

Why are there no 454mhz licenses? How can this company operate a half-dozen or more 454Mhz sites without licenses?

 

[pro92b]

Difference between revisions of "Part 22 Paging Channels" - The RadioReference Wiki

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454 was used for paging, now reallocated for business. The licenses are not specific. They cover marketing areas and the call signs can be found in the FCC records.

 

[RaleighGuy]

There is a statewide radio system in Indiana that has a handful of 454Mhz sites, however, when searching the database there are no 454Mhz licenses.

Why are there no 454mhz licenses? How can this company operate a half-dozen or more 454Mhz sites without licenses?

More than likely, @pro92b answered while I was typing.

 

[mtindor]

There is a statewide radio system in Indiana that has a handful of 454Mhz sites, however, when searching the database there are no 454Mhz licenses.

Why are there no 454mhz licenses? How can this company operate a half-dozen or more 454Mhz sites without licenses?

You're looking for CD/CP (and possible some other) licenses. Something like the attached.

Go to License Search - Advanced License Search
- select CD and CP radio services, State of Indiana, Granted licenses from 1/1/2010 til now, All frequencies.

There are all sorts of ways to get this information, and depending upon where you go it is queried and displayed differently. So be prepared for somebody else to come along and say there is a better option.

 

[nd5y]

Part 22 Paging Channels - The RadioReference Wiki

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[west-pac]

Difference between revisions of "Part 22 Paging Channels" - The RadioReference Wiki

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454 was used for paging, now reallocated for business. The licenses are not specific. They cover marketing areas and the call signs can be found in the FCC records.

I found them. Thanks.

 

[ecps92]

Difference between revisions of "Part 22 Paging Channels" - The RadioReference Wiki

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454 was used for paging, now reallocated for business. The licenses are not specific. They cover marketing areas and the call signs can be found in the FCC records.

Part 22 licenses are tough as mentioned to search find, due to Market (think a TV/Radio Market - aka Region that can cover wide areas)

 

[dlwtrunked]

There is a statewide radio system in Indiana that has a handful of 454Mhz sites, however, when searching the database there are no 454Mhz licenses.

Why are there no 454mhz licenses? How can this company operate a half-dozen or more 454Mhz sites without licenses?

What I do not see in the replies is that the FCC auctioned the from paging frequencies. In this case, often the user paid for the use to the company winning the auction. In that case, it can be hard to track.

 

[Reelfishguy]

Question—many companies purchased these frequencies through auctions. Are they required to construct within 1 year like Part 90 frequencies or can they just sit on them. Anyone with any experience?

 

[nd5y]

Question—many companies purchased these frequencies through auctions. Are they required to construct within 1 year like Part 90 frequencies or can they just sit on them. Anyone with any experience?

Auction 95: Lower And Upper Paging Bands

Auction 95 LicensesAttachment A - Part 1: xlsAttachment A - Part 2: xls

www.fcc.gov

On the Fact Sheet tab:
License Period and Construction Requirements
CMRS licenses are issued for a ten-year term from the initial license grant date. A licensee of a geographic area would be required to provide coverage to one-third of the population in its area within three years of the license grant, and to two-thirds of the population within its area within five years of the license grant. In the alternative, the licensee may provide substantial service to the geographic license area within five years of license grant. See the Paging Second Report and Order (FCC 97-59) at para. 63.

I don't know how any of that applies if the auction licensee disaggregates and leases spectrum to users that end up with their own licenses or if the FCC enforces the build-out requirements or even cares.

I can't find the final rule but this NPRM Federal Register :: Request Access says:
5. While the licensee/lessor remains responsible for compliance with any construction and performance requirements applicable to the leased spectrum, the licensee/lessor may attribute to itself the build-out or performance activities of its spectrum lessee(s) for purposes of compliance with any such requirements.

It would be interesting to see if anybody gets, or has been, busted for bootlegging on 152/158 or 454/459 MHz or other auctioned frequencies if the licensee can sue them for using frequencies that they paid $billions for.

 

[Reelfishguy]

Auction 95: Lower And Upper Paging Bands

Auction 95 LicensesAttachment A - Part 1: xlsAttachment A - Part 2: xls

www.fcc.gov

On the Fact Sheet tab:
License Period and Construction Requirements
CMRS licenses are issued for a ten-year term from the initial license grant date. A licensee of a geographic area would be required to provide coverage to one-third of the population in its area within three years of the license grant, and to two-thirds of the population within its area within five years of the license grant. In the alternative, the licensee may provide substantial service to the geographic license area within five years of license grant. See the Paging Second Report and Order (FCC 97-59) at para. 63.

I don't know how any of that applies if the auction licensee disaggregates and leases spectrum to users that end up with their own licenses or if the FCC enforces the build-out requirements or even cares.

I can't find the final rule but this NPRM Federal Register :: Request Access says:
5. While the licensee/lessor remains responsible for compliance with any construction and performance requirements applicable to the leased spectrum, the licensee/lessor may attribute to itself the build-out or performance activities of its spectrum lessee(s) for purposes of compliance with any such requirements.

It would be interesting to see if anybody gets, or has been, busted for bootlegging on 152/158 or 454/459 MHz or other auctioned frequencies if the licensee can sue them for using frequencies that they paid $billions for.

Thanks very much. So it looks to me that they do have some type of construction period. I am aware of some Public Safety users that tried to hang on to their VHF and UHF frequencies after they converted to 800 MHz. They tried to say that their system was still constructed but were unable to produce a lease from the site owner when the FCC sent them a letter. Thus their license was cancelled.