I can't say for sure but a couple of things come to mind looking at the details of the systems (as listed on the RRDB).
Both are multi-site simulcast systems. Generally, receiving these types of systems on any scanner is going to be a challenge. See
Simulcast digital distortion - The RadioReference Wiki
The other thing I noticed that was provided with the RRDB data (if accurate) is that the range on these systems is 3 and 5 miles. This presents additional challenges.
I'm not sure how far you are from Jersey City or Bayonne but if you go into those areas, you may have more success (but will likely still incur challenges from the simulcast issues).