Why does Uniden insist on serial cable?

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Why in the world does Uniden still insist on shipping serial cables with its scanners? Even the newest 396XT comes with a serial cable instead of a USB cable. Every computer made in the last five years has a USB port but fewer and fewer have a serial port. Thus if you have a new PC you either have to buy their USB cable or use a USB to serial conversion box. Do they do this just because they want to make extra money on the USB cable or is there a valid reason?
 

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Why in the world does Uniden still insist on shipping serial cables with its scanners? Even the newest 396XT comes with a serial cable instead of a USB cable. Every computer made in the last five years has a USB port but fewer and fewer have a serial port. Thus if you have a new PC you either have to buy their USB cable or use a USB to serial conversion box. Do they do this just because they want to make extra money on the USB cable or is there a valid reason?

I have nothing to do with Uniden other than I buy their products and like them.

My GUESS is that:

1. I've never seen an adapter that will take a USB device and convert it into a serial device for those who only have computers with serial ports and no USB ports. There are converters for the other way around, and they're cheap and you do NOT have to buy them from Uniden.

2. RS232 (low speed serial) data protocols have been in existance for years and chip sets for them are way cheap and very easy to implement. USB chips, not as much...although getting much better.

3. There is no need for the speed that even v1 USB runs at.

4. One less thing to worry about.

That's my guess.
 

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Great guesses too! My guess that the older PC's work with RS232 and is cheaper to interface.
 

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And as UPMan had stated before for continued support of GPS devices. Some will debate the validity of that and you can do a search of the forums to find several such debates. Regardless adapters can be had for as little as around five beans.
 

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The snarky answer: because the scanner has a serial interface so packaging it with a serial cable makes the most sense...

The likely answer: It works (tm).

One nice thing about Uniden is that they publish the interface specification making it much easier for third parties to write/publish commercial and free software and, in my case, quick one-off hacks that work with their scanners.

Could be done with USB but it adds other issues. For example, do you have a custom device needing a special driver and are you willing/able to maintain those drivers for Windows, Mac, Linux, etc. or do you make it appear as something standard like mass-storage that works pretty much everywhere but which requires protection against copying corrupt config files to the scanner and which doesn't work as well for streaming info like current-channel from the scanner?

Serial is far from dead. It is the standard bus for marine equipment (NMEA) so it is used in everything from GPS, AIS and weather-instruments to speed, radar and radio-control. Last time I raced to Hawaii we used an external USB to multiport serial adapter because we needed something like 6 serial ports (GPS/weather/speed in, mapping out, tactical in, weatherfax radio control, Iridium phone connection...) and we could have potentially added Pactor for HF email and other serial devices as well.

Most of the home/commercial weather stations I have been looking at use serial as does our card-access system, DS3 multiplexor, PBX, temperature-sensors, etc. at work.

If you have a PC that is too small or where the manufacturer was too cheap to include serial, just pay the $ for a cheap USB<->serial adapter - I've seen them for less than $15.
 
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The snarky answer: because the scanner has a serial interface so packaging it with a serial cable makes the most sense...

But, USB is a Serial interface cable !! It's right there in the middle initial. Universal Serial Bus.

(just adding to the snark. :lol:)
 

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I bought a Belkin USB/DB9 converter years ago. I have yet to find a legacy serial cable it won't work with on my Vista32 machines, and I have a LOT of ham txcvr cables with DB9 or DB25 connectors.
 

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My 2c here I would like to see both ports on the scanners. Serial for remote heads, gps. accessories like that. A USB port to connect it to a computer. Serial ports are very old and archaic, and while their universality makes sense in commercial electronics, IMHO they have no place as being a primary interface for any consumer device.

I know some people go on about cost, but given that they can make a USB stick for less then 10 bucks, not to mention many other USB adaptors that are very inexpensive. Cost must be less then 2 bucks.

Too hard? USB devices have been getting manufactured by the quantity of millions by a zillion manufacturers all over the world for years. Hackaday has home-brew projects that use USB. I'm guessing you don't have to be a rocket surgeon to get USB on the go these days.


I don't think the old USB-Serial adapter is any solution either. You still have COM ports, driver issues (Vista hates everything), baud rates, and user issues (such as not knowing whether its COM1, 2 , 3 or 7). Another example, most people expect their computers to autodetect when a new device is plugged in. That's not possible with serial but most people are not techies and a cable is just a cable.

I really think its about time for Uniden to get with the program already and put a real USB port on their scanners, and make them recognized as real USB devices. The 15 & 996 already come with two ports. Ditch one, put an interface chip for USB with a mini-usb connector right on the scanner, and write some Windows drivers. Users will be happy and the job will be done right.

/end of rant
 

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cpuerror,
Your thoughts echo mine exactly! After reading all the other posts I've yet to see a valid reason not to be including a USB interface. Cost is certainly not an issue and it is a consumer device, not a professional device so users expect plug and play set up which is something that's not obtainable using a serial interface especially when you have to use a converter to get it to work with your PC. Design considerations can not be the holdup so it has to be that Uniden is just stuck in the past as far as communication protocols go.
 

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I don't think the old USB-Serial adapter is any solution either. You still have COM ports, driver issues (Vista hates everything), baud rates, and user issues (such as not knowing whether its COM1, 2 , 3 or 7). Another example, most people expect their computers to autodetect when a new device is plugged in. That's not possible with serial but most people are not techies and a cable is just a cable.

Two points. First, the fact that Microsoft screws things up isn't relevant to whether or not RS232 is a reasonable, workable, widespread and very useful protocol.

Second, serial devices have been autodetected since the latter part of the previous millennium.

Unfortunately when it comes to Microsoft (see point 1), the OS can't seem to get this auto-detection concept quite right. I spent several aggravating hours trying to get it to quit $#@#! "helping" me by auto-detecting devices. STOP IT! I know what I'm doing and, please trust me Windows, it is a GPS, not a mouse. But when the OS insists that the GPS is a mouse, it does create an interesting lightshow on the screen.
 

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I know they make one, but why the heck don't they include it instead of the stupid serial cable they supply with new radios?
I like the comm port cable. The laptop I use for updating the 996 in my car has a serial port that always stays at Comm1, unlike the converter that changes every time it is removed and re-inserted, and then there is the whole GPS connection thing. If you wanted to have the scanner be capable of having USB GPS units hooked to it then you would need drivers for all types of GPS units installed in the scanner and the firmware or software installed in it too, or something to that effect. Serial can be hooked to many devices including many of the computers people are still using (not everybody buys a new one every year). Serial gives consumers the flexibility to hook it to whtever they want including USB-SERIAL adapters. You can't get an adapter to go the other way so if your only choice was serial on your device you could not hook the scanner to it. I have four adapters that I use for various other things if I ever did want to hook a scanner to a USB port. They can be had so cheap that it is really not an issue.
 

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I spent several aggravating hours trying to get it to quit $#@#! "helping" me by auto-detecting devices. STOP IT! I know what I'm doing and, please trust me Windows, it is a GPS, not a mouse. But when the OS insists that the GPS is a mouse, it does create an interesting lightshow on the screen.
/fastdetect to the rescue...
 

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Yes, if you have a need for more ports, might as well do it at the same time as they do sell more then just singles good point!
 
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