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[Sunshineandmonkeys]

Messing around on the wiki today......looks pretty nice and has a load of good information to boot.

I noticed a few things and had a few thoughts that some people may find interesting though:


ETOH has several other Meanings beisdes the overly simplistic "Drunk" listed in the Wiki. ETOH Is clinical shorthand for EThanOl AlcoHol. An ETOH Level is akin to a BAC level, in that it is used to determine someone's specific level of intoxication in various ways, other than Drunk/sober.


SLCPD uses an alternate meaning for ETOH: Extremely Trashed Or Hammered.


The slang term/acronym "PO" is almost NEVER used to refer to the generic variety of Police Officers..........POs are Probation/Parole Officers.


I see that the term Auto-Ped is listed. You may be interested to know that there is a rarely used adjunct to this term--the "Pdead". A Pdead is a fatal Auto-Ped.


Hematoma, as used on the wiki, is grossly oversimplified. It is not a "bump on the head". A Hematoma is a collection of blood outside the blood vessels, generally the result of hemorrhage, or more specifically, internal bleeding. This could be a mild "bruise" as a result of a short fall, or life threatening bleeding that
compresses the brain (subdural hematoma) as a result of a severe head injury.

 

[Utah_Viper]

Feel free to edit the wiki with corrections, additional information that is the point

 

[Sunshineandmonkeys]

Feel free to edit the wiki with corrections, additional information that is the point

Of course, it is a wiki.

 

[N7YUO]

Messing around on the wiki today......looks pretty nice and has a load of good information to boot.

I noticed a few things and had a few thoughts that some people may find interesting though:


ETOH has several other Meanings beisdes the overly simplistic "Drunk" listed in the Wiki. ETOH Is clinical shorthand for EThanOl AlcoHol. An ETOH Level is akin to a BAC level, in that it is used to determine someone's specific level of intoxication in various ways, other than Drunk/sober.


SLCPD uses an alternate meaning for ETOH: Extremely Trashed Or Hammered.


The slang term/acronym "PO" is almost NEVER used to refer to the generic variety of Police Officers..........POs are Probation/Parole Officers.


I see that the term Auto-Ped is listed. You may be interested to know that there is a rarely used adjunct to this term--the "Pdead". A Pdead is a fatal Auto-Ped.


Hematoma, as used on the wiki, is grossly oversimplified. It is not a "bump on the head". A Hematoma is a collection of blood outside the blood vessels, generally the result of hemorrhage, or more specifically, internal bleeding. This could be a mild "bruise" as a result of a short fall, or life threatening bleeding that
compresses the brain (subdural hematoma) as a result of a severe head injury.

Oye Sol Brillo e Monos! This information is obviously in reference to
The Glossary of Terms and Abbreviations which is my own creation.
I am not taking offense at these thoughts and ideas, but here are my comments: ETOH, I've only heard this one in Utah. Yes it means Ethanol Alcohol or some variant, but the Glossary is there to take Tech Talk and Jargon and translate it into simple laymans terms "plain English"

P.O. When a dispatcher provides this warning: "Subject has a history of assault on a P.O." That has a different meaning than "Contact his P.O."

Med-Speak like hematoma I had to look up in a medical book. Hematoma is usually used when first responders are describing a victim to the hospital or Life Flight crew. So they are talking about what they observe. A bump on the head or "goose-egg" is a hematoma in this sense.

Hey, at least I know someone is reading it!

 

[Sunshineandmonkeys]

Ay chihuahua! I hope i didnt come of as snarky or rude; that wasnt my intent....just to inform and entertain too (pdead!).

Reading i am!

 

[qlajlu]

I do not, in any way, want to start a flame-throwing war here, but I must side with N7YUO on this "issue." The glossary was constructed in the context of "dispatcher-speak" to convey the meaning as it is relayed to the beat cop or responding medical help. How would a dispatcher know if an intoxicated person is under the influence of ethanol alcohol? The object of the dispatch is to pass along the fact that the a person is displaying intoxicated symptoms. That is all. "ETOH" carries the message and at the same time is brief for on-air traffic. Yes, it has much deeper meaning in a medical environment, but the street is not a medical environment.

My argument for "hematoma" follows the same as stated above. In dispatcher-speak, it is a bump on the head. A goose egg.

The article by N7YUO in the Utah Wiki is a glossary, not a dictionary. When a teenager says, "It's cool," is he describing the weather or the situation? Context.

EDIT TO ADD: Sorry, sunshineandmonkeys, but I was making my post as you made yours. Mine was just a little later. I'm glad you are not offended.

 

[N7YUO]

Ay chihuahua! I hope i didnt come of as snarky or rude; that wasnt my intent....just to inform and entertain too (pdead!).

Reading i am!

Hey, I'm not offended or anything like that. My last sentence says it all.
But since someone brought up the topic, I thought an explanation was needed. Now, I invite all of our locals (sorry HighPockets) to add to the glossary any terminology they think would benefit. For example, a cop who is having car trouble will exchange his cruiser for a Line Car. The meaning is obvious. However if someone says they need a "Cold Car" that meaning may not be obvious to everyone. So now for a test: Anyone that doesn't know what a cold car is, lets hear from you. And if you do know, keep quiet please.

Those of you not from Utah, feel free to copy the Glossary and amend it for your own area if you want.

HighPockets: Have you ever listened to the undercover C.T. Cops in New Jersey?

 

[Highpockets]

Hey, I'm not offended or anything like that. My last sentence says it all.
But since someone brought up the topic, I thought an explanation was needed. Now, I invite all of our locals (sorry HighPockets) to add to the glossary any terminology they think would benefit. For example, a cop who is having car trouble will exchange his cruiser for a Line Car. The meaning is obvious. However if someone says they need a "Cold Car" that meaning may not be obvious to everyone. So now for a test: Anyone that doesn't know what a cold car is, lets hear from you. And if you do know, keep quiet please.

Those of you not from Utah, feel free to copy the Glossary and amend it for your own area if you want.

HighPockets: Have you ever listened to the undercover C.T. Cops in New Jersey?

First of all, thank you for making me feel like one on the guys here in the Utah Forum, I appreciate it, you guys pretty much work as a team and a majority of the time iron out the disagreements that come up in a friendly manner and go on.

As far as listening to undercover Ops in NJ, in my area our Sheriffs Department is still in the clear and does some undercover work we can here, other departments are starting to encrypt everything or encypt the sensitive operations, as far as the (C.T.) goes, I'm a little confused on what your referring to. I'll blame it on a senior moment.

 

[Sunshineandmonkeys]

I do not, in any way, want to start a flame-throwing war here, but I must side with N7YUO on this "issue." The glossary was constructed in the context of "dispatcher-speak" to convey the meaning as it is relayed to the beat cop or responding medical help. How would a dispatcher know if an intoxicated person is under the influence of ethanol alcohol? The object of the dispatch is to pass along the fact that the a person is displaying intoxicated symptoms. That is all. "ETOH" carries the message and at the same time is brief for on-air traffic. Yes, it has much deeper meaning in a medical environment, but the street is not a medical environment.

My argument for "hematoma" follows the same as stated above. In dispatcher-speak, it is a bump on the head. A goose egg.

The article by N7YUO in the Utah Wiki is a glossary, not a dictionary. When a teenager says, "It's cool," is he describing the weather or the situation? Context.

EDIT TO ADD: Sorry, sunshineandmonkeys, but I was making my post as you made yours. Mine was just a little later. I'm glad you are not offended.

Oi vey! No worries mates! I like SLCPDs ETOH meaning the best

 

[N7YUO]

-(snip)- as far as the (C.T.) goes, I'm a little confused on what your referring to. I'll blame it on a senior moment.

Year: 1975, Place: Gloucester County, NJ.
Every day on 155.XXX I would hear the CT agents tracking people.
The state had to be spending tons of money on this surveillance.
The targets were people who bootlegged truckloads of tax-free cigarettes from N Carolina to NJ where the tobacco taxes were high. The CT or Cigarette Tax Agents were doing a similar job as the IRS "Revenue-ers" that went after bootleg whiskey.

CT Agents would surveil tobacco warehouses down south. Any independent trucker that showed up to buy tobacco was suspect. Registration checks could help narrow down which ones to tail.
Ports Of Entry were notified which ones to watch for. When a bootleg trucker entered NJ, they were tailed just like drug dealers. When they had all the players, they would do simultaneous raids.

 

[Highpockets]

Year: 1975, Place: Gloucester County, NJ.
Every day on 155.XXX I would hear the CT agents tracking people.
The state had to be spending tons of money on this surveillance.
The targets were people who bootlegged truckloads of tax-free cigarettes from N Carolina to NJ where the tobacco taxes were high. The CT or Cigarette Tax Agents were doing a similar job as the IRS "Revenue-ers" that went after bootleg whiskey.

CT Agents would surveil tobacco warehouses down south. Any independent trucker that showed up to buy tobacco was suspect. Registration checks could help narrow down which ones to tail.
Ports Of Entry were notified which ones to watch for. When a bootleg trucker entered NJ, they were tailed just like drug dealers. When they had all the players, they would do simultaneous raids.

Sounds like you know a little about NJ, miss the east coast? Interesting, but, I never heard of that unit, back then I was already working on the GSP and I mostly listened to NJSP on 154.905, I was also living at the shore by then, best move I ever made, now the shore is like the rest on NJ, in 1975 I lived on a lagoon and had nice boat and was loving life, how things change! Maybe they are coming back, our so called president may give me another boat and lower the price of gas <laughing> :roll:

 

[N7YUO]

Sounds like you know a little about NJ, miss the east coast? Interesting, but, I never heard of that unit, back then I was already working on the GSP and I mostly listened to NJSP on 154.905, I was also living at the shore by then, best move I ever made, now the shore is like the rest on NJ, in 1975 I lived on a lagoon and had nice boat and was loving life, how things change! Maybe they are coming back, our so called president may give me another boat and lower the price of gas <laughing> :roll:

I was born in Washington State and raised out west. The Marines had me in NJ on recruiting duty. From there, I went to Japan, and then to North Carolina. I saved my money and leave so when I got my discharge I could get back out west. The east coast is a nice place to visit, but for me, I would'nt want to live there.

But even though we are thousands of miles apart, the forums bring us all close together. You are always welcome in our forum.

 

[lndshrk]

Guys,

Not to get into the middle of your wiki back and forth.

ETOH - or more properly EtOH is neither "dispatch-speak" nor "medical-speak".

It's actually a Chemist's term for Ethanol - aka Ethyl Alcohol - aka banned behind the Zion Curtain (lol)

(Hey mate, hand me that bottle of EtOH, will you?)

CH3CH2OH.

The CH3CH2 chain is called the Ethyl Chain - abbreviated Et by science-types.

the OH, well it's a hydroxyl radical that makes an organic into an alcohol.

Likely co-opted by some medical people, then to EMS, and now to the police and dispatchers.

(aka: DUI, DWI, DK (for drunk) etc)

MeOH is Methyl Alcohol (Methanol)

But you won't hear a dispatcher say someone is MEOH - they'll just say he's "ECHO" (dead) if he was
stupid enough to drink a decent quantity of Methanol.

 

[ke7ovx]

oh boy, here I go again, I know from first-hand personal experience, from working in a hospital here in SLC, about the use of EtOH on the medical units. We use it every day to conform to HIPAA (privacy act). To describe a patient's diagnosis and keep it semi-private and confidential from the general public, we call it EtOH, which tells us on the med floor that the person is poisoned by alcohol, detoxing, and/or withdrawling. It's our "hospital speak" for keep a sharp eye on that patient, and most times they need a 1:1 (nurse to patient ratio).

I blabbered along time to get that out, I hope you understand it

Dan

 

[bchris]

information overload

lndshrk,
Although I am very fascinated by the science of chemistry and I wish I knew 1/10 as much as you probably do,
PLEASE do not put that description on the wiki ! :lol:

(I hope you know I am joking)

 

[roygrady]

I will help if I can.

 

[lndshrk]

lndshrk,
Although I am very fascinated by the science of chemistry and I wish I knew 1/10 as much as you probably do,
PLEASE do not put that description on the wiki ! :lol:

(I hope you know I am joking)

Trust I shall not - I was just dispelling some of the HamSexy sort of myths that seem to be going round

 

[N7YUO]

Yeah, I knew that it stood somehow for Ethanol Alcohol, but until now, I couldn't put it all together.
The meaning doesn't change though, the person is under the influence of Alcohol.
This is just like the first time I heard a cop use the word "inebriated". I had to look it up in the dictionary.
Also, I had to ask K7UHP (guess where he works!) what "O.C. Deployment" meant.
O.C. is Oleo resin Capsicum. Yeah, OK, how about something like Mace or Pepper Spray?

 

[qlajlu]

I will help if I can.

Welcome to the Utah Forum of RR.com​

roygrady!​

I must say that your post is a little cryptic in that I'm not sure if you mean you can help with the Wiki or that you can help with the medical definition of some of the terms. This thread has gotten a little wacky!

How about introducing yourself, Roy. What kind of scanner(s) do you run? ...how long have you been scanning? ...what do you like to listen to? ...where are you?

You will notice that everyone in the Utah Forum is proud to display their location, so I urge you to return to your User CP (the left side of the second blue bar from the top of any page if you are logged in) and edit your profile to include your location (city and state) as you were requested to do in the material e-mailed to you when you registered. Once you fill in your location it will automatically show in each of your posts. Many of the questions you will have, and their answers, are going to be location specific and without having your location showing you will be asked over and over again what it is. So fill it in now and be done with it. Besides, it is just a small courtesy to the rest of us.

Again, welcome to RR.com. Pull up a chair and join in the activities.

 

[Sunshineandmonkeys]

Trust I shall not - I was just dispelling some of the HamSexy sort of myths that seem to be going round

LOL! You said hamsexy! That website has been the cause of insane laughter and coffee flying out of my nose at high speed many, many times.

This thread has indeed taken a wacky turn.....but normal is no fun!