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Wild Unication Idea Of The Day

JASII

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I was thinking how nice it would be if the Unication G4/G5 could automatically switch sites based on location like a subscriber radio on a statewide system, either by GPS or other means. Has that idea ever been kicked around here?
 

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I will have to check and see what the maximum number of control channels is that can be programmed into a system. If I were travelling through many counties, each of which has it own control channel, I could program it as Wildcard/Talkgroup Monitor and simply lockout and talkgroups that I don't want to hear as I travel.
 

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256 for the max number of control channels I believe. Same for the number of sites you can alias. Once the pager has found an acceptable site it gets adjacent site numbers and control channels if it needs to roam from the neighbors list broadcast over the air. As long as you have a site wildcard it will automatically roam to whatever site it can.

Use the full spectrum control channel feature to search for CCs you may not have in your list when initially trying to detect the system.
 

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256 for the max number of control channels I believe. Same for the number of sites you can alias. Once the pager has found an acceptable site it gets adjacent site numbers and control channels if it needs to roam from the neighbors list broadcast over the air. As long as you have a site wildcard it will automatically roam to whatever site it can.

Use the full spectrum control channel feature to search for CCs you may not have in your list when initially trying to detect the system.
Thank you for the reply. I may have to give that a whirl. In the case of a large, statewide system, it would be interesting to see if any frequencies are used more than once as a control channel for the system. If they are, then there might be a greater chance to have all frequencies used as control channels programmed in for a statewide system.

I suppose the alternative would be to count the total number of control channels and split a statewide system into smaller pieces, for example, north, south, etc. Also, one would have to decide how to deal with alternate control channels. To not program them runs the risk of a site switching and the user missing traffic.
 

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I can almost guarantee that frequencies are reused. For all of my statewide programming I have about a dozen of my nearest sites primary and alternate CCs and then have full spectrum turned on. If I'm out of my usual area and don't hear any of the 12 CCs I have listed it will automatically start searching the entire spectrum I dictate (769-775 & 851-861) for any control channels that are apart of the system. That saves me from having a lot of CCs to keep up with and wasting time searching 200+ freqs when it could just quickly search the band and find whatever is out there.
 

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I will have to check and see what the maximum number of control channels is that can be programmed into a system. If I were travelling through many counties, each of which has it own control channel, I could program it as Wildcard/Talkgroup Monitor and simply lockout and talkgroups that I don't want to hear as I travel.

Good idea! To bad they don't have the Trunking Free Scan that was in 1.4 beta then you could do everything by county and not have to change zones as often.
 

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I was thinking how nice it would be if the Unication G4/G5 could automatically switch sites based on location like a subscriber radio on a statewide system, either by GPS or other means. Has that idea ever been kicked around here?
I suppose if we’re getting “wild” about ideas, they could have their phone app talk to the radio through Bluetooth and use the Location info from the phone to automatically switch sites and other things....
 

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I have entire State P25 trunked systems in my G5. For example, GA SEGARRN, SC Palmetto, NC Viper, etc. I then have every State Police talkgroup covering I-95 through those States set to one knob position. I also have all the site control and alternate frequencies for the sites that cover I-95. I then named the Zone I-95. I can literally start at the FL/GA line at knob position 1 and not have to touch it until I get to the GA/SC line and it will switch sites along the way automatically. Then I switch one click to knob position 2 and I’m on Palmetto and good all through SC. Knob position 3 for Viper in NC, etc etc.

Note that the Unication roams between sites a little different than a subscriber. A subscriber is constantly sampling RSSI. A Unication locks on to a site initially based upon RSSI but they holds that site until BER hits a certain threshold, then will switch sites based looking for RSSI threshold is met, hold until BER, etc. I find the Unication will usually hold a site a bit longer than my APX subscribers (where a better site may be available), but it still has a signal so it’s still chatting away.

And yes you can program it to hold on a site, but you have to get creative with the programming and program the site as it’s own system. I do that on NJICS where certain sites always carry certain talkgroups that I wish to monitor. Obviously I have to be in range of that site.

As far as being able to force traffic on to a site, not going to happen. The Unication does not affiliate so in simple terms the site has no idea it exists. Just like a scanner. Even with my valid subscriber, when I’m scanning multiple Talkgroups, unless a radio is affiliated (or carried on that site full time through system programming parameters), Im not hearing anything on that talkgroup if no radio is there. It’s a way of unnecessarily using system resources. Unless of course I change to that talkgroup and affiliate.
 

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256 for the max number of control channels I believe. Same for the number of sites you can alias. Once the pager has found an acceptable site it gets adjacent site numbers and control channels if it needs to roam from the neighbors list broadcast over the air. As long as you have a site wildcard it will automatically roam to whatever site it can.

Use the full spectrum control channel feature to search for CCs you may not have in your list when initially trying to detect the system.

I programmed in Full Spectrum and that, along with Block(Blok), should work pretty well for my travelling around my state.

Thanks for the tip!
 

JASII

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I was on a road trip yesterday many counties away from my home. I did try Full Spectrum Scan and I am pleased at how well it performed.

The other thing I did was add TGID Alias Names for the State Patrol Dispatch and County Sheriff Main Dispatch for a bit over half of the counties. Granted, it would be great to have more, but usually when I am in less populated areas, the majority of the radio traffic seems top come from the County Sheriff Main Dispatch Talk Group and State Patrol Dispatch Talk Group.
 
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