Will a "436" be capable of long usefulness?

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Mobilman44

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Good morning,

I'm a total semi-ignorant newbie to the scanning world, but trying to educate myself as best I can.

I've narrowed down my first scanner to the BCD436HP. My intent is to place the order next week.

My interests (at this point) lies in monitoring law/fire/ems transmissions here in north Harris County in the Houston Texas area.

I assume the 436 will easily meet those needs for the present. But, are there projected changes in the "radio world" that will make this unit obsolete?

Thank you!
 

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Probably not obsolete anytime soon... if anything, being 4+ years old (but still being updated with firmware releases), it will be "superseded" by something better....something that has already been announced.

If you're going to be dealing with simulcast systems/reception, it might work for you - it might not.

You might want to look through this (long) thread - particularly the "side-by-side" videos that include the 436... (or just search for them on YouTube).

https://forums.radioreference.com/uniden-prospective-owners/367564-sds100-prerelease-discussion.html
 

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The only condition where the 436 is not "useful" is certain simulcast reception situations. If there are any simulcast systems in your area I would wait for the SDS100. But that aside, the 436 is an excellent scanner and will continue to be one for years.
 

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The 436 will basically be obsolete in a few months when the new SDS100 comes out (just read the other posts on here). Honestly if you're in the market for a new scanner I would just wait a little while longer. There are issues with the 436 (mostly related to simulcast) that should be improved when the new scanner comes out. Even if your area doesn't have a simulcast system currently, there is always the possibility they could have one in the future. If you're going to spend all that money you want to "future proof" your investment.
 
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BCD436H North Harris County TX

I use a 436 and two 536's to Monitor North Harris County and Montgomery County TxWARN systems. I use both Simulcast and individual sites. I see slightly better performance on single sites. Montgomery County only Simulcast is available and the 436 performs well, I just upgraded to NXDN to cover the Comm Center, but have not sorted it all out yet. Given your location you will probably want an NXDN upgrade. Even with the increased cost of the SD-100 Pro-voice, NXDN, and DMR will be additional upgrades. For the money I would consider the 436HP. With the SD-100 coming out 436 prices should drop.

If you need further assistance let me know.

Allen J.
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williamjenkins@msn.com
 

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It will be useful, and the new scanner will be expensive. Almost every new scanner I have had since the move to the higher frequencies and simulcast have had issues that took a while to resolve, and both Uniden and Whistler have faced this. Do a search on "problems with" followed by the model number and you will get the idea. Many problems are individual situations, but you will find issues that are common to many owners.
 

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The 436 will basically be obsolete in a few months when the new SDS100 comes out.

That doesn't apply to everyone in all situations. I just ordered a brand new BCD436HP & BCD536HP, and I live in the middle of a nine site simulcast system, and they work great for me. I was able to buy both for what a fully loaded SDS100 is suppose to cost.
 

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My interests (at this point) lies in monitoring law/fire/ems transmissions here in north Harris County in the Houston Texas area.

I assume the 436 will easily meet those needs for the present. But, are there projected changes in the "radio world" that will make this unit obsolete?

Thank you!

If your area changed to totally encrypted communications, any scanner available today would no longer work, and likely nothing ever will. Looking at Radio Reference's database it appears some talk-groups in your area are encrypted, but certainly not all. The 436 should cover what you need.

Uniden recently announced a new SDS100 you might want to read up on prior to making your decision.

Hopefully someone in your area more familiar with the systems you'll be monitoring will post more information.
 

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No it won't.

Maybe "obsolete" is not the correct term for this discussion. As long as the scanner is able to pick up what you want to listen to then it's fine. My father still uses a 30 year old Realistic scanner. Everything in his area is analog conventional, so he has never had the need to upgrade. But my personal opinion is that if I'm going to drop $400+ on a new scanner then I would rather just wait for the newer model to come out. Radio systems change all the time. The 436 may work fine for you today, but maybe 6 months from now there will be a simulcast system that you want to hear and you will wish you had the better performance of the SDS100. That's just my opinion.
 

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Maybe "obsolete" is not the correct term for this discussion. As long as the scanner is able to pick up what you want to listen to then it's fine. My father still uses a 30 year old Realistic scanner. Everything in his area is analog conventional, so he has never had the need to upgrade. But my personal opinion is that if I'm going to drop $400+ on a new scanner then I would rather just wait for the newer model to come out. Radio systems change all the time. The 436 may work fine for you today, but maybe 6 months from now there will be a simulcast system that you want to hear and you will wish you had the better performance of the SDS100. That's just my opinion.

I don't disagree, however keep in mind, the SDS100 is going to cost you twice as much or more when you start adding the additional features. Granted you don't have to do it all at once.
 

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I can't recall ever tossing out a scanner just because it quit working. Usually radio technology advances (digital etc.) cause scanners to be obsolete in the sense that they can't receive what is being used.

While it seems like just yesterday, back in January of 2013, the FCC started to enforce the narrowband rules. A lot of governments made changes to their systems to comply and may still be paying off bonds to do so. So it's unlikely you'll see many new things come on line in the foreseeable future.
 

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While I don't pretend to understand what NXDM is, should I buy a 436, would I not be able to purchase and self install the upgrade?
 

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While I don't pretend to understand what NXDM is, should I buy a 436, would I not be able to purchase and self install the upgrade?
It's NXDN, not NXDM.

NXDN is a different type of emission code instead of P25 (digital, but a different form of digital than NXDN).

If you buy a 436HP (or 536HP), right now, you have the option to get the NXDN upgrade for $30 instead of the 'regular' price of $60, which will go into effect once the Sentinel software is updated. The basic question is whether or not there are any NXDN systems in your area (Harris County) that interest you. Looking at the list of trunked systems in Harris, I only see a few systems in the county using the NXDN format. A couple of business systems, and a couple of school districts. Likely, there are more, at least business users, but they have not been identified & added to the database. Whether any of the current systems, or potential new (yet to be documented, or maybe only in the planning stage right now) ones might be something of interest, you'll have to consider the options. You can always add it later, should a NXDN system that does interest you come into play at some future date. It would just cost you $60 instead of $30, if you wait too long. I have two NXDN public safety systems here in the DFW Metro area, so NXDN was a good update for me, especially at the discounted fee.

Unless you have severe simulcast issues at your specific location, there is likely not going to be such a large difference in capabilities between a properly programmed 436HP versus the yet to be released SDS100.

The 436 will basically be obsolete in a few months when the new SDS100 comes out (just read the other posts on here). Honestly if you're in the market for a new scanner I would just wait a little while longer. There are issues with the 436 (mostly related to simulcast) that should be improved when the new scanner comes out. Even if your area doesn't have a simulcast system currently, there is always the possibility they could have one in the future. If you're going to spend all that money you want to "future proof" your investment.
If you always want to wait until a new, unreleased, product with improvements in form and function comes out, then you'll never actually buy a scanner. Uniden is working on the final changes and adjustments before the SDS100 hits the market. But, as UPMan has said before, they are always working on something. At some future date, whether a couple years, or some other time frame, Uniden likely will have a new product that does things the SDS100 cannot. Whistler has also hinted that they may release something around May. What they have up their sleeve, I have no idea, but if they plan to compete in the scanner market, they also are likely working on something farther out in the future than this coming May. There is no way to totally and finally 'future proof' your scanner choice. At some point, something else, eventually, will be released.
 

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My analysis is that, today, the x36 Scanners are the are the best and most advanced on the market. When the SDS-100 is released, they will be the second best scanners on the market. I don't see any downside to owning the second best scanner on the market or even better, owning the first and second best scanners on the market when the SDS-100 is released.
 

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The only condition where the 436 is not "useful" is certain simulcast reception situations. If there are any simulcast systems in your area I would wait for the SDS100. But that aside, the 436 is an excellent scanner and will continue to be one for years.

Exactly.

My analysis is that, today, the x36 Scanners are the are the best and most advanced on the market. When the SDS-100 is released, they will be the second best scanners on the market.

Well said.

There are people still using the 396 series for their needs with no issues. For those persons, even the 396 is not outdated. Heck, for MilAir even the BC780XLT is not only not outdated, it is still one of the best units.

I would say the newest Uniden model which is truly outdated is the BC296D. That is almost 4 generations old. Still, for some it will work perfectly well.
 

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There are people still using the 396 series for their needs with no issues. For those persons, even the 396 is not outdated.

I use my trusty 396XT every day! It goes with me everywhere. It can pick up ALMOST everything in my area. I love the form factor.

It probably gets used more than my 436/536 scanners.
 

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Thank you all for the advice and information. I haven't been a "newbie" in an area of interest for some time, and frankly it is humbling. However, you all have made my start up much easier.

"Factory Outlet" is processing my return of the 125AT, and when complete I'll order the 436.

Thank you!
 

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Obsolescence is in the eye of the beholder. If all you own is an analog-only scanner, and most local comms you're interested in have migrated to digital formats, then your scanner will be obsolete. The 436's, either natively or with upgrades, can receive and decode most popular digital formats in use today, as well as good ole analog. Unless we're on the cusp of some technological revolution not discussed on this forum, the 436 will be useful for many years to come.
 
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