Windows CE issue

[baybum]

I bought a netbook with Windows CE. I use WIN500 for my Pro-106.
Unfortunately, WIN500 will not run on my netbook running Windows CE.
Is there a driver or update I can download to make this work?


Thanks

 

[DonS]

No, Win500 won't run on Windows CE. There are no drivers or updates that will change this.

 

[baybum]

OK, thanks....If that was mentioned specifcally in the documentation, I would'nt have bought the netbook.
Kinda like the RR CDRom issue....went and bought it, then find out I can't do imports with it.
Very frustrating.


System Requirements
In order to run Win500, you'll need the following:

A copy of the Win500 program
A PSR-500 or PSR-600 Scanner, or the RadioShack equivalents: PRO-106 or PRO-197
The blue GRE USB Scanner Programming cable that came in the box with your scanner. If using a RadioShack scanner, you'll need to buy a cable: either the GRE cable or RadioShack's catalog #20-047. Older "serial" cables will not work with these radios.
A PC running Windows 2000 or later (i.e. 2000, XP, Vista, 7). Earlier versions of Windows, such as 95, 98, and Me, are not supported.

 

[DonS]

A PC running Windows 2000 or later (i.e. 2000, XP, Vista, 7)

Windows CE is not among the editions specified. Only the versions of Windows in parentheses are supported.

 

[baybum]

It's not among the editions restricted either...


"Earlier versions of Windows, such as 95, 98, and Me, are not supported"

 

[DonS]

"I.e." ("id est") indicates that the list is exhaustive.

"Such as" in the above describes a list of examples that isn't necessarily complete.

Windows CE doesn't appear in the "i.e." list because, internally, it bears very little resemblance to the supported versions of Windows. The API is different, and supporting it would require a significant rewrite of the app. Not to mention the fact that the host processor may not even be an x86-compatible device - something required by Win500.

 

[baybum]

The average person is supposed to know all that?

If you listed CE as unsupported like you listed 95, 98, an ME, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
CE is not old. The latest release came out in Sept of 2009,
(I did my homework on that before I made my purchase) so you can understand how an average consumer, non- programmer/developer like myself, would assume that the program would work on CE.


Anyway...live and learn.

 

[geoff5093]

Windows CE was released in 1996, it's ancient software and was not very common as compared to Windows 95/98. Do you see them list Windows 3.1 or earlier versions there as well? It basically means that anything before Windows 2000 is not supported.

 

[DonS]

It basically means that anything before Windows 2000 is not supported.

"i.e. 2000, XP, Vista, 7" means that only those versions of Windows are supported.

 

[geoff5093]

"i.e. 2000, XP, Vista, 7" means that only those versions of Windows are supported.

Wrong, future versions of Windows may work fine. If someone picks up this software a few years from now, it won't necessarily mean that it is not compatible with their version of Windows.

What I said was correct, and just as the software states, you need Windows 2000 or newer, older versions will not work.

 

[DonS]

"i.e. 2000, XP, Vista, 7" means that only those versions of Windows are supported.

Wrong, future versions of Windows may work fine. If someone picks up this software a few years from now, it won't necessarily mean that it is not compatible with their version of Windows.

"are" : present tense. "supported" : known to work and supported by me. The list of supported Windows versions will be updated as a) they become available and b) as I (or others) have an opportunity to test on them. The initial version of the list didn't include "7" because Windows 7 wasn't available to the general public in 2007. Even after it became available, it wasn't added to the list until Win500 had been tested on it.

Windows Server 2003 and 2008 are not in the list. Win500 may well work on them. However, I don't know that it has been tested on those operating systems, so I'm not putting them in the list.

"(i.e. 2000, XP, Vista, 7)" means that, right now, you need to have one of those 4 versions of Windows to run Win500. If you want to try it on some other, not-listed, version of Windows, now or in the future, all bets are off.

What I said was correct, and just as the software states, you need Windows 2000 or newer, older versions will not work.

Windows Mobile 6.1 (based on the Windows CE 5.2 kernel) is "newer" than Windows 2000. Win500 certainly doesn't run on it.

 

[geoff5093]

"are" : present tense. "supported" : known to work and supported by me. The list of supported Windows versions will be updated as a) they become available and b) as I (or others) have an opportunity to test on them. The initial version of the list didn't include "7" because Windows 7 wasn't available to the general public in 2007. Even after it became available, it wasn't added to the list until Win500 had been tested on it.

Windows Server 2003 and 2008 are not in the list. Win500 may well work on them. However, I don't know that it has been tested on those operating systems, so I'm not putting them in the list.

"(i.e. 2000, XP, Vista, 7)" means that, right now, you need to have one of those 4 versions of Windows to run Win500. If you want to try it on some other, not-listed, version of Windows, now or in the future, all bets are off.


Windows Mobile 6.1 (based on the Windows CE 5.2 kernel) is "newer" than Windows 2000. Win500 certainly doesn't run on it.

If someone acquires an older version of this software, it wont have the updated list of supported operating systems. Software companies usually only list major OS versions (i.e. 2000, XP, Vista, 7), because only a select few would be running server OS's, mobile OS's, or any other variation.

Windows Mobile is a different story, and since it's not called Windows CE it wouldn't be an issue. Just like Windows NT, there was an OS labeled as Windows NT, and even though newer versions are still built upon that, they have different names.

 

[baybum]

Like I said...all you had to do is list CE along with the other unsupported formats and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
It's that simple.

 

[DonS]

Like I said...all you had to do is list CE along with the other unsupported formats and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
It's that simple.

No, it's not that simple.

In order to use your method, I would have to list all unsupported versions of Windows. That list would include, for example:
* Windows 1.0
* Windows 2.0
* Windows 2.1
* Windows 3.0
* Windows 3.1
* Windows for Workgroups
* Windows NT 3.1
* Windows NT 3.51
* Windows 95
* Windows 98
* Windows 98se
* Windows Me

It's far more "simple" to just list the supported versions, i.e. 2000, XP, Vista, 7, updating that list as new versions become available and are tested.

 

[baybum]

That's better than listing an incomplete list of unsupported formats.
CE is not an "earlier" version of Windows...it's "another" current version of Windows.

I'm done, this is taking up too much server space.


Have a good day.

 

[DonS]

That's better than listing an incomplete list of unsupported formats.
CE is not an "earlier" version of Windows...it's "another" current version of Windows.

It's "'another' current version of Windows" that does not appear in the list of REQUIRED operating systems. From the Win500 web page text quoted above:

System Requirements
...
A PC running Windows 2000 or later (i.e. 2000, XP, Vista, 7).​

That text means exactly one thing: If you want to run Win500, you'll need a PC running Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, or Windows 7.

If I'd meant "for example, 2000, XP, Vista, 7", I wouldn't have used "i.e." (id est). I would've used "e.g." (exempli gratia). I.e. means it's an exhaustive list; nothing else is supported. Other versions of Windows may work (e.g. Windows Server 2003), but that's up to the user to try, without guarantees (caveat utilitor).

 

[geoff5093]

...
A PC running Windows 2000 or later (i.e. 2000, XP, Vista, 7).[/INDENT]

That text means exactly one thing: If you want to run Win500, you'll need a PC running Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, or Windows 7.

No, it says you need a PC running Windows 2000 or later SUCH AS 2000, XP, Vista, 7. Hence the "i.e".

Although there's not really much point in continuing this arguing.

 

[DonS]

No, it says you need a PC running Windows 2000 or later SUCH AS 2000, XP, Vista, 7. Hence the "i.e".

Incorrect.

"I.e." is an abbreviation for the Latin id est. In English, it's used to signify "that is" when specifying or explaining.

Perhaps you're thinking of "e.g.", an abbreviation for the Latin exempli gratia. In English, we use "e.g." to say "for example" (which is synonymous with "SUCH AS").

 

[fourthhorseman]

He-He,,
I Love these sort of debates...lol

Dude,just do your self a solid,torrent a educational version of XP Pro,use the
bulk serial,and just upgrade your machine,,

honestly,id do that numero uno,,you never know whats hidden on a hard drive
from some where else,,dont put yourself in the position to even have to deal with it,,

besides,old OS could be infested with malware,spyware,ect,,you should reformat it and reinstall it,,

ahh,,this thread reminds me of a panda story,,,

 

[DonS]

He-He,,
I Love these sort of debates...lol

Dude,just do your self a solid,torrent a educational version of XP Pro,use the
bulk serial,and just upgrade your machine,,

In case you're suggesting that for the O.P., he has a "netbook". It almost certainly won't run any flavor of Windows other than the CE for which it was designed.