Windsor NEW public safety

[hawkeye32]

Just noticed something not sure if this is a typo or not, but it appears thier are 2 control channels for the new system, after cross-referencing, 858.2875 and 858.7875 are both control channels? Which one is the correct one, i have the new system in my pro-2096, but it does not pick anything up at all, i am assuming its cause of the 2 control channels. I do know for the most part the new one is mostly encrypted, but would like to hear fire at leats, any help on this would be cool Thanks

 

[hawkeye32]

Also too just to add to this, was sifting through the old system freq's listed on the old system, and have come across 2 other control channel numbers, i ama noob when it comes to the sound of the channels, (which one is a p25 and a analog) but here are the ones i have come across, 859.0375 PL of 165.5 and 866.125... Is it a possiblitly that the freq's for the new system have changed?

 

[FoeHammer]

well my radio shows locking on 858.7875 for the new system where I occasionally hear a p25 clear fire call....
& is currently locking on 858.0375 for the old system which I dont hear much of anything anymore
weird to me that there used to be so many other users on the old system & they just dissapeared...
Ive mostly been listening to marine & aircraft

 

[hawkeye32]

ya same here, just the reason i thought possibly the control channels changed, is i very rarely hear fire anymore, thats why was thinking maybe control channels are different. I have noticed the old system and the new system, the freq's are the same, so went throught he old systems numbers and found 4 control channels....But when i don't know the sound differences between control channels, if its a motorola analog system or a p25 system, and the other funny thing is one of them was coming up with a PL tone?

 

[FoeHammer]

hmm i dont know what to make of it , it just seems pretty quiet lately though ....

 

[woody_46]

Copied from an old post of mine..

The problem I'm having is that there are 2 active CC's on the system if using the provided RR database freqs. My Pro 2096 is having problems with this.

What I've done is created 2 separate banks. 858.7875 seems to be the only CC being used for P25. So I created a bank using only that CC.

On the analog system bank I dropped the P25 CC of 858.7875 so that bank works now. There might be a better way, but this is working for me.
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Something has definitely changed since so many talkgroups are not active. One CC is for the analog, one is for digital. Just listening to them in manual mode you can tell which is which.

Anyways, I got sick of this crap and sold my Pro 2096. There are too many encrypted frequencies locally for my liking.

 

[hawkeye32]

ya i hear ya on the old system i know it lists several different freq, but came a cross a control channel on that as well, it may or may not help but 866.125 is control channel of some such any ideas on that if it is part of the new system?

 

[woody_46]

That frequency used to be a voice channel only on the old system. It is possible it has been changed to a CC, I'm not sure what changes have been implimented. I thought the old system would be phased out completely.

Good luck.

 

[hawkeye32]

Ok, i'll mess with it this weekend and see what i can come up with , just what is confusing is the freq's from the old system, are on the new system, and to make it more complicated, all the freq's in the old system, thier are 4 CC's with one having a PL tone... maybe someone else can chime in here and shed some light

 

[frankh]

I run Universal Trunker on the new system, here's the frequencies:

856.2875
856.5375
858.2875cc
858.5375cc
858.7875cc
866.1250
866.1875
866.3125
866.4375

cheers Frank

 

[Forts]

Ok, i'll mess with it this weekend and see what i can come up with , just what is confusing is the freq's from the old system, are on the new system, and to make it more complicated, all the freq's in the old system, thier are 4 CC's with one having a PL tone... maybe someone else can chime in here and shed some light

That can't be right...... There won't be a PL on any of the trunked frequencies.

 

[hawkeye32]

I know thats what i find odd, i was using the BC 898t to cross-reference between control channels, and that one freq the pl would flash with that 165.5. To what Frank chimed in about , i have tried the Universal trunker, but i think its wrong,cause one of those control channels is from the old system which still seems to be active and still analog. Is thier a site or i don't know even if its possible but to hear the different kinds of trunking control channels per system, like if its a digital, analog that type of thing? Or if someone with better experience then me can check it out?

 

[mikewazowski]

165.5hz isn't even a valid pl.

Your pl decoder is falsing on the data.

A p25 control channel and a Motorola control channel don't sound anything alike. If you're in Windsor, just tune to one of the Michigan sites and you'll hear exactly what a P25 control channel sounds like.

There should be other Motorola systems around as well that you can use to hear what the older control channel sounds like.

 

[Forts]

If you have a Pro96 or one of the newer GRE/RS digital scanners try using PRO96COM to check things out. Works great for me. I'll swing my yagi over towards Windsor tonight and see if I can pull it in (I can some nights if conditions are decent).

 

[hawkeye32]

I have the sister machine of the pro96 (2096) will that PRO96COM still work? Thanks Mike for the tip, never even thought of that duh lol Well as they say u learn something new everyday. As for that other control channel, it is a higher pitch tone, and no its not the interference high pitch. I noticed with some trunking channels it is lower and "choppy", this one is steady 866.125. As i'm typing this i plugged in detroit's MPSCS and the only one that sounds familiar as in sound is the 858.7875. the other 3 sound different.. I think the freq's in the RR Database may be wrong or they have changed? maybe a second opion on this would be good to see as well, before i submit a request for a freq change in the database,like i say i am still fairly new to this..

 

[Forts]

Yes a Pro-2096 will work just fine with PRO96COM. You can download here Pro96Com - Control channel decoder for P25 Trunked Radio Systems

 

[KE7JFF]

Actually, I think 165.5 while is non-standard, it is sometimes an option some commercial radios. I think I have seen it on EFJohnson radios...

 

[hawkeye32]

Thanks forts I'll try that program and give er a whirl

 

[gpp10x]

. I think the freq's in the RR Database may be wrong or they have changed? maybe a second opion on this would be good to see as well, before i submit a request for a freq change in the database,like i say i am still fairly new to this..

The city of Warren upgraded their 800 analog to an 800 P25 system about 2 years ago using the same freqs. The old 800 is tagged as fallback in case the P-25 fails. Maybe this is what Windsor plans to do with their system.

 

[hawkeye32]

ok so i ran that pro96COM program and here is the results after 2 hours of monitoring

858.7875 control
858.5375 Alternate
858.2875 alternate
856.2875 system id information
856.5375 voice
866.125 voice
866.1875 voice
866.3125 voice
866.4375 voice

Talkgroups

11,14,22,33 are encrypted (assuming police)
27,40,60,61,62,82 are all clear

Also too another question is in the system activity screen, talkgroups 11 and 33 sometimes show ecrypted and sometimes not? Just some direction with this would be great, i am still trying to learn this stuff, thanks
Then their was something that popped up and said, CWID under type and talkgroup is XJG97, no idea what that is?

Also what does Unaffiliate and Affiliate mean , their is a few of Unaffiliate,under radio description, a couple of them show TG id's? which i know is talkgroup ids, but some explanation what is would be cool.