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Just interested if others are hearing more consistant tests?

No, not really. I've seen a lot of key ups on a few different Tech TG's.

Lately I've been hearing more conversation type traffic between techs. For instance this morning I heard 400 and another tech or two talking about meeting at a tower site and making sure they had their equipment.

For the record I didn't hear the entire conversation but one of them was near Steven's Point. I am wondering if this could have been the Plover site and that is what MADscan is hearing?

Was looking through the minutes for the SSMG meeting Feb24 and I see Sawyer County has been accepted for daily use of the system as an early adopter. Kewaunee and Iowa Counties are also possible early users.
 

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No, not really. I've seen a lot of key ups on a few different Tech TG's.

Lately I've been hearing more conversation type traffic between techs. For instance this morning I heard 400 and another tech or two talking about meeting at a tower site and making sure they had their equipment.

For the record I didn't hear the entire conversation but one of them was near Steven's Point. I am wondering if this could have been the Plover site and that is what MADscan is hearing?

Was looking through the minutes for the SSMG meeting Feb24 and I see Sawyer County has been accepted for daily use of the system as an early adopter. Kewaunee and Iowa Counties are also possible early users.

Ehhh, I doubt that its plover, its probably a bit closer, I can get Blue Mound and Monticello (152mhz not 139) very well and can spottily pull in Baraboo, Columbus and occasionally Delafield.

I haven't really heard much off Blue Mound which covers most of Iowa County, but then again 155.595 is never that active anyway, il'l keep an ear on it
 

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Hey there, i`m kinda wondering on something, earlier this evening i found out that the Rib Mtn site is off-air (noticed it when my `396T suddenly wasn`t locking onto the C-channel anymore, stepped through the channels manually and confirmed that the system wasn`t sending a control channel), what i`m kinda curious about is, is this common? Honestly this is the first time i`ve encountered this, and it`s kinda intresting. I`ll continue to monitor and see if/when the control channel comes back. Also, yesterday the c-channel was switched to 152.6225 from 139.7625. Again, really intresting.. Thanx for helping me satisfy my curiousity :). N9NRA
 

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Update to my post last night, checked this morning when i got up and the wiscom/Rib Mtn site is back up as normal, 139.7625 c-channel. N9NRA
 

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Hey there, i`m kinda wondering on something, earlier this evening i found out that the Rib Mtn site is off-air (noticed it when my `396T suddenly wasn`t locking onto the C-channel anymore, stepped through the channels manually and confirmed that the system wasn`t sending a control channel), what i`m kinda curious about is, is this common? Honestly this is the first time i`ve encountered this, and it`s kinda intresting. I`ll continue to monitor and see if/when the control channel comes back. Also, yesterday the c-channel was switched to 152.6225 from 139.7625. Again, really intresting.. Thanx for helping me satisfy my curiousity :). N9NRA

My guess is that anything is possible as the system is still testing. You shouldn't see a cc go down when the system is 100% on line but in this stage I am sure they are doing a lot of configuring.
 

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FYI...

Douglas County is thinking of going over to WISCOM but has not made a decision as of yet. They are currently doing an engineering study and when complete will use the data to discuss with the State about adding additional WISCOM sites in the county.

As for Interop with Minnesota, ARMER is giving the county an 800 MHz control station for the Communications Center. There will also be a few APX radios installed in mostly supervisory vehicles. The EM Director currently has an APX 7500 on WISCOM for testing. I'm unsure if these will be programmed for use on ARMER, but will at the very least have all the 800 MHz mutual aid channels.
 

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My guess is that anything is possible as the system is still testing. You shouldn't see a cc go down when the system is 100% on line but in this stage I am sure they are doing a lot of configuring.

Hey thanx jdm911;1502432. I was thinking that might be the case, but i`d never seen it happen before, and i was thinking it would have mabey "failsofted" or something on that order, so it was kinda intresting anyway. Thanx for the help! N9NRA
 

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FYI...

Douglas County is thinking of going over to WISCOM but has not made a decision as of yet. They are currently doing an engineering study and when complete will use the data to discuss with the State about adding additional WISCOM sites in the county.

As for Interop with Minnesota, ARMER is giving the county an 800 MHz control station for the Communications Center. There will also be a few APX radios installed in mostly supervisory vehicles. The EM Director currently has an APX 7500 on WISCOM for testing. I'm unsure if these will be programmed for use on ARMER, but will at the very least have all the 800 MHz mutual aid channels.

Hmmm...intresting here, as my hometown is up there in Douglas County, just kinda curious, ya happen to know if they were going to use WISCOM for just EOC/EM stuff, or were they thinking on going to that for ALL of their comms stuff, both EM and regular PD/FD traffic too? If they were to switch to WISCOM for all of their traffic it would be really intresting, and a bit different. However, i could see a real advantage in doing the switch, given that narrow digital is fast becomming the way forward, it would make sense to move everything over to WISCOM and do the digital thingy all in one fell swoop. Intresting, and should be really neat to watch this to see where it goes from here :), thanx for posting this info. N9NRA
 

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Given Douglas County's radio system sucks now...I would love to see it go to something better.
 

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Douglas County and WISCOM.

Given Douglas County's radio system sucks now...I would love to see it go to something better.

Now THAT i would have to totally agree with there, i`ve listened to it lots of times (in fact that`s how i find out what`s happening around town when i`m home with the folks, quite convienient :)), now with that all said, the only thing they have going for `em is coverage, there`s not a place around there (at least around where my folks live anyway), that i can`t pick up at least one of the DCSO sites (i get ether Gordon or Maple equally well from my folks` place) so i could see a real advantage in moving to the WISCOM system, only other bit would be having to get new radios...a rather costly bit too for that matter, but even with all that, it could see the benefits of switching to WISCOM for (as far as i`m concerned anyway) ALL of their day-to-day operations. Like i`ve said before, should be really fun to watch, just to see what crops up. N9NRA P.S. Just to give you some compairison here, i can hit the 2 meter repeater we have up there from my folks` with two watts outta an HT, and recieve it as well as i can get the Sheriff sites in ether of Gordon or Maple, and frankly i think the repeater i chat on sounds WAAAY better than the DCSO system. Now THAT`s sayin` somethin` :D!
 
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Hmmm...intresting here, as my hometown is up there in Douglas County, just kinda curious, ya happen to know if they were going to use WISCOM for just EOC/EM stuff, or were they thinking on going to that for ALL of their comms stuff, both EM and regular PD/FD traffic too?

the only thing they have going for `em is coverage, there`s not a place around there (at least around where my folks live anyway), that i can`t pick up at least one of the DCSO sites (i get ether Gordon or Maple equally well from my folks` place) so i could see a real advantage in moving to the WISCOM system, only other bit would be having to get new radios...a rather costly bit too for that matter, but even with all that, it could see the benefits of switching to WISCOM for (as far as i`m concerned anyway) ALL of their day-to-day operations. Like i`ve said before, should be really fun to watch, just to see what crops up. N9NRA P.S. Just to give you some compairison here, i can hit the 2 meter repeater we have up there from my folks` with two watts outta an HT, and recieve it as well as i can get the Sheriff sites in ether of Gordon or Maple, and frankly i think the repeater i chat on sounds WAAAY better than the DCSO system. Now THAT`s sayin` somethin` :D!

This is in the early stages so there isn't a lot of firm plans, but it would be all communications. Currently the county is paying approx. $22,000 - $25,000 per year for maintenance on their current system, compared to ~$4,000 in fees if they were to switch. The change wouldn't be quite that good because the fire repeaters would be maintained for paging, and I imagine would then be programmed as a backup system, but pretty drastic anyway.

They want to move to WISCOM, but they don't want to give up the coverage they currently have. Hence they engineering study. Once they know what towers of theirs they would like WISCOM sites on then they can go to the State to see if they will pay for them and such.

To my knowledge it seems as if no one knows yet how such a project would happen on WISCOM. I'm not too familiar with ARMER but I believe the State of Minnesota pays for the entire system infrastructure. I'm more familiar with the MPSCS in Michigan where the agencies pay for the sites.

For example if Douglas was in Michigan the County would pay for the infrastructure, then pretty much turn the sites over to the MPSCS who would integrate them into the system then manage and maintain them. In return the County gets discounted use of the system with quite possibly great portable coverage. Bear in mind this is full integration where those sites become part of the system, not just a link between two separate systems.

As far as radios, the county already has capable radios installed. All that would need to be done is to re-flash with trunking firmware and program. The problem lies in the fire departments throughout the county who have radios ranging from wide-band analog only to P25 trunking capable to trunking ready through the latest grants.

The law system is actually a really nice system. As pointed out, great coverage. Since it's voted it also has the advantage that whether or not you can receive the site for the channel you have selected the Comm Center can still hear you, so good for officer safety. But that's also the problem. The link levels and voter happen to not be maintained the greatest so it tends to not be the greatest sounding system.
 

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This is in the early stages so there isn't a lot of firm plans, but it would be all communications. Currently the county is paying approx. $22,000 - $25,000 per year for maintenance on their current system, compared to ~$4,000 in fees if they were to switch. The change wouldn't be quite that good because the fire repeaters would be maintained for paging, and I imagine would then be programmed as a backup system, but pretty drastic anyway.

They want to move to WISCOM, but they don't want to give up the coverage they currently have. Hence they engineering study. Once they know what towers of theirs they would like WISCOM sites on then they can go to the State to see if they will pay for them and such.

To my knowledge it seems as if no one knows yet how such a project would happen on WISCOM. I'm not too familiar with ARMER but I believe the State of Minnesota pays for the entire system infrastructure. I'm more familiar with the MPSCS in Michigan where the agencies pay for the sites.

For example if Douglas was in Michigan the County would pay for the infrastructure, then pretty much turn the sites over to the MPSCS who would integrate them into the system then manage and maintain them. In return the County gets discounted use of the system with quite possibly great portable coverage. Bear in mind this is full integration where those sites become part of the system, not just a link between two separate systems.

As far as radios, the county already has capable radios installed. All that would need to be done is to re-flash with trunking firmware and program. The problem lies in the fire departments throughout the county who have radios ranging from wide-band analog only to P25 trunking capable to trunking ready through the latest grants.

The law system is actually a really nice system. As pointed out, great coverage. Since it's voted it also has the advantage that whether or not you can receive the site for the channel you have selected the Comm Center can still hear you, so good for officer safety. But that's also the problem. The link levels and voter happen to not be maintained the greatest so it tends to not be the greatest sounding system.

Yeah, that`s the other thingy about the current law system up there, if ya listen to (for instance) Gordon, then switch to Maple, you can really tell the difference (at least i can anyway), and yes, the system sounda like :(:( on Gordon, but it does sound rather pleasing when ya hear the Maple tower come up (as well as the one in Patzu too), for some strange reason the Gordon one sounds like a messed-up 70-cm repeater (i`ve heard a few of those in my time as a HAM, and they can sound rather funny at times :)). From what i have been told of the WISCOM thingy, they would have to pay to use that one (correct me if i`m wrong on that `un) for day-to-day stuff, but not for any EM stuff. As i said, i`ll be watching this with intrest, just to see what crops up. We may be waiting a while, as these things don`t move all that fast ether, but who knows? N9NRA
 

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Unfortunately, all I really receive is the Gordon tower which sounds very garbled. As box23 pointed out, it's the link levels and voter stuff that makes it sound like crap. I do agree that Douglas has good site coverage, and I sort of wonder if they would incorporate their existing towers into the system.

If they do decide to pull the trigger and go to it, it may be a good solution to fix some of the dead spots in Superior...well, until the Wrens. tower comes on,
 

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To my knowledge it seems as if no one knows yet how such a project would happen on WISCOM. I'm not too familiar with ARMER but I believe the State of Minnesota pays for the entire system infrastructure. I'm more familiar with the MPSCS in Michigan where the agencies pay for the sites.
I can speak to the ARMER situation. The state builds towers at no cost in the county for a minimum of 95% mobile coverage in that county. For the most part thats 100% coverage in the end, especially from overlapping coverage from border county sites. For many flat counties thats also 100% portable coverage.

For our county the state built 5 sites, in a simulcast network. We had to add 4 more sites for portable coverage in communities (our county has heavy terrain from Mississippi river on east end). Our county paid for those sites, but an infrastructure grant paid for 50% of that. For the most part we used water towers in towns to avoid the large cost of building a tower. I wish we could get the ARMER techs to take maintenance of our sites, but at this time they will only maintain the state sites. We have to contract with a private shop for the work we can't do in house. We also have to pay the yearly Motorola maintenance fees to keep the contract up so the system software updates are free (county sites and consoles).
 

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Looks like Sawyer County is making progress in moving to WISCOM. Today they were installing some new radios, and programming most others.

Heard traffic on the Hayward site, TG 55511. Double checked to be sure and it is within Sawyer's TGID range. Didn't hear the entire conversation, but one unit was the EM Director, rid i5809901. Did not hear a talkgroup identifier mentioned.
 

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Looks like Sawyer County is making progress in moving to WISCOM. Today they were installing some new radios, and programming most others.

Heard traffic on the Hayward site, TG 55511. Double checked to be sure and it is within Sawyer's TGID range. Didn't hear the entire conversation, but one unit was the EM Director, rid i5809901. Did not hear a talkgroup identifier mentioned.

Hmmm, intresting here, just curious, but is Sawyer County gonna go "whole hog" for WISCOM (all their day-to-day ops) or just for the EM stuff? I`ll be up there soon, might be worth a listen when i get home after work while i`m there. Also, how well do ya recieve the Hayward site? N9NRA
 

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Sawyer County is moving to WISCOM for all day to day communications. Any timeline is not known publicly yet. The only date that is widely known is that the system cannot be used for mission critical (i.e. day to day) communications until after system completion in July 2011.

The Hayward site has really good coverage in Sawyer County and outwards. Outside I can usually hear it fine on a portable from about 25 miles away.
 

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Glad to hear Sawyer is on board the "whole hog" plan. I hope that the others considering it (there are a few) decide to move that way as well.

In other news, any new site reports from anyone for the database?
 

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Glad to hear Sawyer is on board the "whole hog" plan. I hope that the others considering it (there are a few) decide to move that way as well.
I agree. It's really nice when everyone works together. And for the system to do it's job as intended everyone should be on it full time.

I do a lot of monitoring of the MPSCS in the UP and I have to say you can't get much better than that. Most everyone is on the system, and everyone knows how to use it. It is a very mature system so most all the kinks have been worked out long ago, but from the start the planning was there to make it happen.

They also use consolidated regional dispatch centers, but I'll save that argument for later.

In other news, any new site reports from anyone for the database?

I haven't found a new site for some time now. Seems the Northwest Techs have been taking a long break. Since you are soliciting information, though, you forgot the location info again.:roll: Squirrel Hill site. But even with your faults we still have the cleanest database entry!!:D
 
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