Wolfforth, TX police, fire and EMS

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Is anyone here able to listen to the Wolfforth police and fire on the new Project 25, Phase II channels. I bought a brand new SDS100 and used the sentinel software to program the scanner. I am just not able to pick them up. I check radioreference and the talkgroups are correct as compared to sentinel.
I am also only able to pick up a few different Lubbock channels. I should be hitting on a lot more of those. The big thing though, is of anyone on here can hear Wolfforth. Thanks.
 

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I bought a brand new SDS100 and used the sentinel software to program the scanner.
When you created your Favorites list in Sentinel, did you, first, update the database in Sentinel? When your scanner is manufactured, as well as when you first installed Sentinel, the database will be well out of date. The database in the scanner, when the scanner is shipped to you, is usually from 2018, so it's by no means accurate as to what is currently in use when you look at the database via the website.You can see what is the date for the database in Sentinel by looking at the lower left corner of Sentinel's main window.
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Did you create your list, in Sentinel, by appending from the main database? Or did you use the "add channels in range" method.

If you are using Location Control, be sure that your location, in your Sentinel profile, is accurate, as well as selecting a range large enough to pull in Lubbock. (The range, as the scanner uses it, is actually a combination of the range you set in your profile, as well as the range of the system sites' and departments. Make sure that the Lubbock simulcast site is in your list.

If you post your Favorites list file, we can look to see if anything is out of place or missing. How to do that is covered in this Wiki page.

Wolfforth PD calls come through the Lubbock SO main channel
Thanks for providing that, I have not been anywhere near your area in a very long time.
 

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Yes the first thing I did was update the HPDB when I hooked my scanner up to Sentinel. I created my favorites list by appending from main database and Lubbock City-Co Mutual Radio System.

The date on my database is 11/09/2025. Firmware is also updated to current version. I thought that maybe Wolfforth PD and Fire also might still be using the old system, and had not moved to Phase II yet and those aren't active either. Originally it was 154.755 for police and 155.490 for fire. I also have download and monitor set to on before I write the favorites to scanner.
In the favorites list, there are also these other sites included.

I appreciate the help!
 

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Yes the first thing I did was update the HPDB when I hooked my scanner up to Sentinel. I created my favorites list by appending from main database and Lubbock City-Co Mutual Radio System.

The date on my database is 11/09/2025. Firmware is also updated to current version. I thought that maybe Wolfforth PD and Fire also might still be using the old system, and had not moved to Phase II yet and those aren't active either. Originally it was 154.755 for police and 155.490 for fire. I also have download and monitor set to on before I write the favorites to scanner.
In the favorites list, there are also these other sites included.

I appreciate the help!
Looking at your file, I don't see anything that 'jumps out' at me for an error. You have the sites enabled, and have the listed talkgroups in place as well. While you are not using location control, you have that data in place in case you'd want to switch to location. If I were programming your area for a visit to Lubbock, my programming would be almost identical to what you entered.

Do you have a source of interference, such as a cell tower, or other tower near you? If so, that might be overriding the signals that you want. You might try changing the filter settings for your sites. I find that wide-normal works better on some of the systems that I monitor here in the DFW area. There are several different settings you can use.

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You might find that a different setting would help. It's worth a try, and no cost except a few minutes of your time. The 'Global' setting uses whatever is set in your profile for any site (trunked) or system (conventional systems) that is set to use Normal. (Normal is the default, but you can try other settings..) DO NOT Use Auto, That's something that we've asked Uniden to change, if possible, but no luck so far. Using Auto, the scanner tries each different filter setting whenever a trunked system site is scanned, as well as conventional channel frequencies. The downside of Auto is that it goes though the same cross check of all possible filter settings every time that site or frequency is scanned. That slows your scanning speed noticeably. That choice (of the best filter setting) is not saved, not even temporally, nor is it saved (like a temporary lockout is) if you read the scanner back into Sentinel. What we've asked for is that once the best setting is determined in a scanner use session, that it no longer is evaluated every time that system or site comes up; it would continue to use whatever setting was found to work best. Or, at least, enable editing the display settings to allow the chosen filter (best choice) to be shown. Instead, at present, it would continue to show "Auto", not what it found was the best choice.

I would also suggest changing the NAC setting for the site to "Ignore" or 'search', just in case that changed & not yet updated in the database.

I also would set those sites farther from your area, like Abernathy, to ignore, so that the scanner does not waste time trying to pick it up. Coverage for Abernathy (from the database) appears to be very marginal for your city:
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Also, turning off those more remote sites will speed up your scanning, The SDS100 & SDS200 take somewhere between a half second, to a full second, to acquire the control channel for a site then evaluate whether your chosen talkgroups are being used. (I've seen various quotes in the forums, calling a half second, 0.75 seconds, or a full second.) Take those more distant sites out and your scanner will run more efficiently.

I see that you have a lot of Lubbock Fire TGIDs set as avoid. I'd flip them back on, just to see if you can hear some of them. On the outside chance that some of the law enforcement TGIDs have started using encryption, but not yet submitted to the database, I'd "park" the scanner on, say, the Lubbock S.O. dispatch, or Lubbock city PD dispatch. While it's scanning either the county S.O. or city PD departments, if you use the Channel button (the one farthest to the right, just below the display) to 'hold' on a talkgroup, if they were encrypted, you would not hear "clear" transmissions, but you'd see "enc" (for encrypted) in the corner of the display if there was any traffic on the talkgroup. Radio_etc did not mention encryption, so that might be a false lead, but it would only take a little of your time to check it out.

Are you using the antenna that came with the scanner (it should not be a problem if you are, since you are close) or one of the 'gain' antennas from Remtronix. Also, in general, for most users, a squelch setting of 2 works well. That's what I'm using here.

Let us know if any of this helps. Good luck!
 

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I will try some of these other settings like you mentioned such as the "wide normal" setting, NAC to ignore and removing the abernathy tower. I also might remove the Idalou and Ransom Canyon towers also, and just leave the simulcast site.

Some of the things I am actually picking up ok are the Lubbock County Sheriff's Dispatch 1 and 2. I was also able to pick up the Lubbock PD Divsion 1, 2 and 3 dispatch. But I filtered out the PD as I am not concerned about that. I do want to keep the SO programmed because they are out here in Wolfforth quite a bit. With that said, I know PD and SO are not encrypted for now. So I would assume Wolfforth isn't either.

I also saw somebody else mentioning the stock antenna with the SDS100 is not good. I am going to order a new Remtronix 920. Do you a prefer an SNA or a BNC antenna? Or is there really any difference?

Thanks again for delving into my issue! Appreciate it! I will let you know how things turn out!
 
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I keep the Remtronix 920 SMA version on my SDS100 most of the time. It seals the antenna jack from water and does great on UHF and 7/800 MHz. I'd go with the SMA version over the BNC, unless you have a BNC scanner you want to use it on as well.
 

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I also saw somebody else mentioning the stock antenna with the SDS100 is not good. I am going to order a new Remtronix 920. Do you a prefer an SNA or a BNC antenna? Or is there really any difference?
I have both versions. In fact, I have several of the BNC antennas because I often use them on my 436HPs when I'm not at home. (At home, simulcast distortion on the 436HPs and my 325P2 makes the Rem antenna not my first choice for those.)

As noted, the SMA version does help maintain the water resistance on the SDS100. But if I'm going to be out of my home area, especially when I visit a friend that lives in Stephens County, I use the BNC. When mobile in my car, the BNC version, with the adapter that came with the scanner, gives me the option to use an external antenna when in my SUV. In her area, almost everyone is Vhf-high, and the Rem antennas are not a good choice for that band. They work well on both Uhf and the 700/800MHz trunked systems, but not Vhf or aircraft. (If there is a wildfire incident in that area, I can monitor the planes & helos making water drops.) If I'm going to be down there a while, I switch to one of the Diamond antennas for better Vhf-high. The RH77CA and the RH771 are virtually identical.

There is not a noticeable difference in performance between the SMA & BNC versions of the REM antennas. on the 700/800MHz systems
 

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Some of the things I am actually picking up ok are the Lubbock County Sheriff's Dispatch 1 and 2. I was also able to pick up the Lubbock PD Divsion 1, 2 and 3 dispatch. But I filtered out the PD as I am not concerned about that. I do want to keep the SO programmed because they are out here in Wolfforth quite a bit. With that said, I know PD and SO are not encrypted for now. So I would assume Wolfforth isn't either.
It sounds like you are hearing the system, so your programming is working. Tweaking the filters might help as well. Here in DFW, I monitor the Dallas PD patrol division that covers my neighborhood, as well as DPD Central Patrol which covers downtown Dallas, plus Dallas Fire Rescue. I also monitor Dallas County S.O. as they handle accidents and traffic enforcement on a number of the freeways, plus most of the smaller cities & departments in the southern part of Dallas County, as well as the Ellis County area on NTIRN.
 

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This is an extremely weird situation here in Wolfforth. I am able to get fire and EMS dispatch now but only because they are not on the talkgroups listed in Radioreference. It took some trial and error here after opening up a lot of channels. Wolfforth FD is actually using the patch to VHF dispatch, EMS in Wollforth is using Lubbock County Dispatch 2.

Someone mentioned Wollforth PD is still using Lubbock Co as it's dispatch. I have opened all channels for Lubbock Co...but still no PD traffic in Wolfforth. I am 2/3 the way there. Have fire and EMS but no PD.

And one last thing, when I put the scanner in scan mode it wouldn't pick up no channels at all. But when I manually stopped each talk group on a one by one basis, they suddenly started picking up in scan mode. EMS for Wolfforth is 20530 talkgroup.

There is a huge learning curve with this scanner.
 

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I just recently moved to TX from Columbia, MO. They still used the old analog channels like 154.xxx and 155.xxx. I have a Radioshack Pro-95 and it worked like a charm there. So I am definitely in a new world here with the Phase II stuff.
 

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And one last thing, when I put the scanner in scan mode it wouldn't pick up no channels at all. But when I manually stopped each talk group on a one by one basis, they suddenly started picking up in scan mode.
This happens most often when the service types (for the ones that you want) are not enabled. When your scanner is shipped, as well as when you first install Sentinel, only Dispatch service types for public safety are active. That's Law Dispatch, Fire Dispatch, EMS Dispatch, and Multi-Dispatch. You also should enable the Talk & Tac service types, i.e. Law Talk, Fire Tac, etc. The Custom 1 service type is enabled by default. That's the initial service type for talkgroups & conventional channels that you enter manually. While you are apparently not getting a "Nothing to Scan" error message, this Wiki page has items to check that might apply to the channels you are not hearing except when manually selected.

You can select the Service Types you want to monitor by editing your Profile in Sentinel.
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I noticed on your file that you do not have Lubbock PD programmed.

The various counties around you there in Lubbock are all conventional. You might want to add the S.O.
s in those counties in a separate Favorites list, that you can access if there is a chase or other serious incident going on in one of those counties.

While our periods where we often have severe weather is usually the spring, when that comes around, you might want to include the Skywarn net for Lubbock. You can program it, but not monitoring full time by setting the channel (or the Department that it is in) to Avoid, then clear the Avoid when there is severe weather in, or approaching, your area. Or, program it, but don't enable the Ham service until there is a weather event in progress. (You can toggle that Service type on or off in the Service Types screen in the scanner's menu.
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Ok thanks I will add the Skywarn. One thing that is very interesting. In my sentinel profile I set the global attenuator to ON. It has made a huge differerence, I am getting most everything that are in my favorites. Not sure exactly how the setting is helping, but it is like night and day now.

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