York County - HARRIS RF COM - p25 System

[brey1234]

Update: York county ma/com woes

Building two new transmission towers could fix the problems some Hanover-area first responders are having with the county's 911 radio system - at a cost of $1.3 million.
http://ydr.inyork.com/ci_13401868

 

[md_p97]

OK, I've searched the threads about this system and understand that the PSR-600 (nor the Pro-106) will work well based on the 32 channel TSYS import limit...

But....has anyone "logged" the system from a central location to determine the 32 most prevalent freq's used?

Or,

Can I simply set up "2" systems, importing 1/2 the freqs (+/-) to one system and the other half to the second, and just duplicating all the talkgroups for each?

I only get up that way a few times a year....so its not critical for me...more just a curiosity at this point.

Thanks,

Paul

 

[ocguard]

OK, I've searched the threads about this system and understand that the PSR-600 (nor the Pro-106) will work well based on the 32 channel TSYS import limit...

But....has anyone "logged" the system from a central location to determine the 32 most prevalent freq's used?

Or,

Can I simply set up "2" systems, importing 1/2 the freqs (+/-) to one system and the other half to the second, and just duplicating all the talkgroups for each?

I only get up that way a few times a year....so its not critical for me...more just a curiosity at this point.

Thanks,

Paul

The York County Radio Network is technically not a 32-channel system, it is:
One 14-channel system (Central)
Three 10-channel systems (North, West, South)
One 3-channel system (Fulton)

So, to solve the problem of the Pro-106 not being able to handle all 32 frequencies in one system could be handled a number of ways. I have mine set up as follows:
1. Central & South systems loaded as one system and in roam mode (because I drive from York to MD often, so this is usually what I use)
2. Each of the other 3 systems loaded as separate systems, and I turn them on and off as I move into the area serviced by that specific system. I don't usually listen to the Fulton tower because it doesn't carry many calls, as it is only three channels, and must be manually selected by a field user (field user radios won't roam automatically to the Fulton System)

So depending on where you visit in York County, you may only need a select group of frequencies. MANY people get away with listening to only one or two systems.

 

[HM1529]

The York County Radio Network is technically not a 32-channel system, it is:
One 14-channel system (Central)
Three 10-channel systems (North, West, South)
One 3-channel system (Fulton)

So, to solve the problem of the Pro-106 not being able to handle all 32 frequencies in one system could be handled a number of ways. I have mine set up as follows:
1. Central & South systems loaded as one system and in roam mode (because I drive from York to MD often, so this is usually what I use)
2. Each of the other 3 systems loaded as separate systems, and I turn them on and off as I move into the area serviced by that specific system. I don't usually listen to the Fulton tower because it doesn't carry many calls, as it is only three channels, and must be manually selected by a field user (field user radios won't roam automatically to the Fulton System)

So depending on where you visit in York County, you may only need a select group of frequencies. MANY people get away with listening to only one or two systems.

All you really need is the control channels. I am sitting here in a Harrisburg hotel listening to the York system right now and all I have in the PRO-106 are the control channels. Why would you need all 32 frequencies? Maybe I'm just confused...I've had my head stuffed with a lot of info over the past couple of days.

 

[HM1529]

mystery TG's

The following three talkgroups are listed for the York system:

12412 307c D LYCOM LYCOM Emergency Ops
12413 307d D Potter Potter Emergency Ops
12414 307e D Bradfrd Bradfrd Emergency Ops

What is their purpose? Are they really related to Potter, Lycoming, and Bradford counties?

 

[dcr_inc]

Opensky

They are the original talkgroups that were in the OpenSky radio for PEMA. It is interfaced into our system. The talkgroups have been changed and an update will be forthcoming.

 

[dcr_inc]

You do have to load all of the frequencies for the systems you wish to hear. The Harris P25 system will use ALL of its frequencies for control channels if needed, unlike the Motorola 4 channel scheme.

The central system is on channel 13 as control alot of the time.

 

[HM1529]

You do have to load all of the frequencies for the systems you wish to hear. The Harris P25 system will use ALL of its frequencies for control channels if needed, unlike the Motorola 4 channel scheme.

The central system is on channel 13 as control alot of the time.

Well, if that's the case, shouldn't all the frequencies be listed as an alternate cc to ensure they get loaded into a scanner? Easy enough for me to change if that makes programming easier. for end users.

 

[HM1529]

If you can let me know all the talkgroups linked to a STARNET talkgroup, I can edit the talkgroup description to indicate them as such. I recognize some of the PEMA talkgroup names and can make assumptions on a few others that are probably from STARNET, but I'd rather get confirmed info from an end user.

 

[md_p97]

Well, if that's the case, shouldn't all the frequencies be listed as an alternate cc to ensure they get loaded into a scanner? Easy enough for me to change if that makes programming easier. for end users.

I think that would be a good idea....

While sitting here reading the replies to my previous question regarding setting up the Pro 106 (GRE 600) it occurred to me that I can not only create a separate TSYS for each of the locations (covering all of the needed freqs for each), I can place them all in the same "scan list" so I really wouldn't notice a difference. The only programing issue I see is making sure I include ALL talkgroups in each of the TSYS's.

OR... I can have 5 separate TSYS to cover ALL of the county. Then duplicate all of the talkgroups for each, then list all Police tg's in scanlist #2, Fire tg's in scanlist 3, Municipals in scanlist 4, etc...

Is this how other pro-106/gre-600 users are setting up there radio's?

Paul

 

[jeepster89ltd]

What Depts. does the Central System carry and so on?

How do I relate what Depts. are carried on the seperate systems?

Central System = York City? + maybe Metro
North System = ?? (north)
South System = ?? (east)
West System = ?? (west)
Fulton System = ??

I think that all Fire, Police and EMS would carry this scheme. I am trying to put this altogether.
Thanks for your help. This is the first time that I have posted.
Have had a Pro-106 since Dec. 08.

 

[ocguard]

How do I relate what Depts. are carried on the seperate systems?

Central System = York City? + maybe Metro
North System = ?? (north)
South System = ?? (east)
West System = ?? (west)
Fulton System = ??

I think that all Fire, Police and EMS would carry this scheme. I am trying to put this altogether.
Thanks for your help. This is the first time that I have posted.
Have had a Pro-106 since Dec. 08.

Talk group calls are carried on systems based on dynamic need.

For example, York City is covered by the central system, so calls on city police talk groups are always carried by the central system. But if someone in the area of the south system dials up the city police talk group, the south system will begin carrying calls on that talk group. As soon as that user switches talk groups or turns the radio off, the south system would cease carrying calls on that talk group.

Ideally, you should listen to the system that covers the geographic area you're listening from. For the most part, if you're listening to the central system, you're going to hear calls on the majority of talk groups. Plus, you can pick up the central system from almost anywhere. If you're listening to one of the other systems, you may not hear calls on talk groups of opposite systems. And the Fulton system is it's own beast. Field users must manually switch to the Fulton system when they are in that area (Fulton is not part of the roaming program in the radios) so there will be very few calls heard on this system, which is in it's design since it only has three channels.

 

[jeepster89ltd]

Thank you.

 

[bmlure]

I am able to pick up York County North System. Am picking up the cc along with talk groups but don't have no sound. Full bars on receiving. Pick up WV with no problems. Any ideas on whats up.All other P25 systems and freq. no problems.

 

[hosehead88]

How did you program the scanner? To get my PSR-600 to work, I had to put all frequencies in...not just the CC. Also, if you used a file from here on RR, I think there is a custom table that needs to be entered that does not come over in the file.

 

[bmlure]

I put in all the freqs in and the band plan also. Everything comes on the screen but no volume. maybe I'm to far away.

 

[hosehead88]

Brian,

What scanner are you using? What % signal are you getting fro the tower on a control channel?

Are you using all frequencies for the whole system or just the North system? I would think you are way too far away in New Franklin to pick it up, but you may want to try the South or West system towers before you rule it out.

 

[bmlure]

I'm using a 996xt and have full bars on the scanner. I have all freqs in the radio and when a transmission is on for the full trans. there is no sound. The west system is the same way.

 

[Thunderbolt]

I see that York County is petitioning the FCC, to grant them an STA, so they can upgrade their system and add more tower sites. Very interesting letter to the FCC, explains this in greater detail. I wonder who is footing the bill for this upgrade? Nonetheless, I see they filed under the PW (conventional) section, rather than the proper trunking section with the FCC. I hope this is not a mistake, as the FCC will reject this and the other pending applications.

73s

Ron

 

[N_Jay]

No, they are adding control stations that happen to b e at sites that have a Ground Elevation with an HAAT that exceeds the rules.

Much ado about nothing.