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Old 08-30-2017, 3:35 PM
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Default G5 broadcasting talkgroups not assigned to the Knob Position...

Has anyone else experienced non programmed talkgroups broadcasting even though the knob channel doesn't have the specific talk groups programmed into that spot?

I was monitoring our fire department and only had their three talk groups programmed into the knob channel. I kept getting talkgroups 5500 and 4 (both local PD, the first being encrypted) on the radio. I switched knob channels and monitored a different set of talkgroups and those two talkgroups still continued to come over. 5500 and 4 are valid used talkgroups on the P25 system I was monitoring but they were not programmed in that channel. I double checked to make sure monitoring was not active. Anyone else experience this on their G5? I looked over my programming to make sure those two talkgroups didn't get added accidentally. I also pushed out the programming to the radio again just to be sure and it continued to stop on those talkgroups as well as the ones that were programmed.

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Old 08-30-2017, 3:48 PM
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Sounds like you have Monitor Mode enabled on those knob positions, which will play traffic on any talkgroup that is heard.
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I double checked to make sure monitoring was not active.
Yep, I thought that at first also. I use monitor mode quite a bit so it wouldn't have surprised me if I had left it in that mode. I checked and monitor mode was off. It was also only those two talkgroups that the radio broadcasted and no other talkgroups on the system which I'm sure had traffic on as well.
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Besides having monitor enabled on the software, check the settings on the radio itself. It can also be achieved via the settings using the buttons on the radio.


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Correct, that's how I turn it on.

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Is it possible those TGs are patched to any TGs you have programmed?
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Is it possible those TGs are patched to any TGs you have programmed?
I wondered that as well but thought I recall reading that the Unication didn't handle patches.
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I'm not sure, the radio is behaving again. It was just during the special event that day. I'm thinking the radio system was a little weird. It hasn't done that since.
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Since you were having a special event, there may have been some patches you usually don't see. It depends on what is patched to what whether or not the Gx will pick it up.
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I wondered that as well but thought I recall reading that the Unication didn't handle patches.
The unication definitely handles P25 patching (one of the resons why I got my G4). I do notice that talkgroups will bleed over for a few seconds when switching channels (often XXX shows on the screen)
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Thanks for pointing out what XXX means. I've seen that before and didn't know what that meant.

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The unication definitely handles P25 patching (one of the resons why I got my G4).
Hmmmm.... I'll have to look and find that conversation about patches not working. It could have been an old comment that was addressed in a later firmware update...

It would be helpful to hear David chime in on this topic as well.

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I do notice that talkgroups will bleed over for a few seconds when switching channels (often XXX shows on the screen)
^ This is something I see all of the time when changing knob positions...
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This was occurring in Michigan and it was determined that the dispatchers were not properly releasing the previous TGID they were transmitting on and it was creating a Multi select group. I am not saying this is the exact cause of your issue but we can always try to figure out what the system is doing. Please contact me via email an i will send you the diagnostic tool and we can pull a DSP log for review. The unit stores the last 2 minutes of activity so we will have to replicate it and then pull the log.
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I have run into issues with monitor mode not always wanting to turn off. It shows it is off, but I still receive unknown TG's. From what I recall, a power cycle usually fixed it. I have not been able to replicate the issue often enough yet though to pinpoint it. I don't think they were patched TG's, but again it has been a while since I have looked into it myself.
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My theory is that the processor is very slow, and takes a LONG time to catch up. When you switch zones or channel positions, the display takes a long time to display the information from the zone that you switched to, and continues to tune in to the previous system. Similarly, sometimes, when I turn off the radio, it continues talking for quite a while, before it actually shuts off. I think they need to add some multi-threading to their firmware programming ors something, so that some things can be interrupted, and the receiver and display can quit working on a system you left, and concentrate on the system you went to.
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Thanks David but I'm not able to replicate this problem. It is definitely an issue with the P25 system itself. The G5 only has issues when they are trying to configure the radio system (adding/removing talkgroups)
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Thanks David but I'm not able to replicate this problem. It is definitely an issue with the P25 system itself. The G5 only has issues when they are trying to configure the radio system (adding/removing talkgroups)
I've been able to successfully pull a log when this is happening tonight and sent them in.
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David, I sent a message via the contact form on the Unication website. I'm getting this issue again today so if you want to send me the diagnostic software, I'll see if I can get a log capture for you.
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David, I sent a message via the contact form on the Unication website. I'm getting this issue again today so if you want to send me the diagnostic software, I'll see if I can get a log capture for you.
The Diagnostic tool was included in the New PPS link its in the tools folder.
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