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I purchased a G4 on Monday it arrived on Thursday I am trying to program 3 different systems on different knobs, but when I load up a second system the one that was already in the radio doesn't work anymore it says "Zone 1 not programmed". I know you can't listen to more than one system at a time but I thought you could program more than one at a time on different knobs?

Secondly the G4 works as good as advertised I have not heard one garbled transmission yet. It is so refreshing!
 

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I purchased a G4 on Monday it arrived on Thursday I am trying to program 3 different systems on different knobs, but when I load up a second system the one that was already in the radio doesn't work anymore it says "Zone 1 not programmed". I know you can't listen to more than one system at a time but I thought you could program more than one at a time on different knobs?

Secondly the G4 works as good as advertised I have not heard one garbled transmission yet. It is so refreshing!

I'd be happy to take a look at your programming. Can you export, zip and post your profile?

As an option, I've been helping other folks using TeamViewer (free download)...
 

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I guess the outcome is, I cannot figure out how to have more than one system in a profile. I guess for the time being I will have to be happy with what I have.
 

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I can't get it to open it says unsupported file. If you want go take a look at it though TeamViewer go ahead. Thanks for your help.
 

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Figured id post here instead of making a new thread.
All of my systems with defined WACN/SYSID/RFSSID/SITEID/Control channels are working great. I setup NJICS to do a full spectrum scan, wild carded the rfss and site id’s enabled full spectrum scan with 2 sets of searches one for the 700 one for the 800 WACN and sysid are set to what RR has them(wich works for the other knob with a specific site programmed). I have just the default one frequency programmed in the CC list is that my problem.
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I have just the default one frequency programmed in the CC list is that my problem

Yup - that would be a problem unless the system is extremely stable on the primary control channel but even then, chances are that are some point, the CC frequency will change for one reason or another. Some systems treat every frequency as a potential control channel frequency and will even perform regular rotation through them over time.

You should probably at least ALL of the know control channel frequencies for a given site. Even better, program all site frequencies for that site.

Full Spectrum Scan will work but it will take more time to start searching for a frequency in a range than looking through the list of known frequencies for the site to recover.

I'd only rely on FSS for two things:

  • a complete fallback in the event that the known site frequencies change in some way (more added, frequencies swapped out, etc.) - rare but it could happen.

  • total wildcard search looking for unknown systems - downside here is if you are in an area with lots of systems, the radio will lock onto a CC pretty quickly - probably for something that is "known" and then you can't get it to "move along"
 

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So my next question is say I’m driving through New Jersey from top to bottom on the turnpike and want to have the pager change from site to site on my way south do I have to put control channels from each site in, there are a bunch
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Trying to figure this out for my yearly road trip to Florida as I also was trying to set NC Viper up


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As we've discussed before, programming the Unication for a road trip is far from easy.... it can be done but it will be time consuming and difficult.

You must remember that:

  • if you program many sites (or wildcards site data and/or FSS) along the route, the radio will always choose a site for you - and it may not be the one you want for where you are - it could (will likely) be the one behind you as you go and it could even be a site no where near you.

  • consider that along the route, the talkgroups are likely to change as you travel through counties or regions/districts and there is a limit on how many talkgroups can be placed into a single knob.

Putting the radio into FSS and TS-Monitor mode - using system parms (WACN, SysID and/or even RFSS with wildcard Site FF) - could work but still with two problems - (a) no TG alpha tags and (b) no encryption muting - it can get ugly depending upon where you are and how busy the system is and how much encryption is present. Even doing this, you'll want a different zone/knob for each system along the route.

I've done some "road trip" programming - both trying monitor mode and wildcards as well as route specific zone/knob. Each knob contained a specific system site and talkgroups configured based on the county I was passing through. As I crossed the county lines along the drive, I'd switch zones. This works if you know the area well and what you might hear on which sites along the route but not so well if you don't. And, again, extremely tedious and time consuming to do this level of detailed programming for a trip where you are only in an area for < 1 hour maybe twice over a week for the trip.

These days, I do less programming like this for the drive and focus more on where I'll be spending at least a day - it's much more useful and worthwhile....
 

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As we've discussed before, programming the Unication for a road trip is far from easy.... it can be done but it will be time consuming and difficult.

You must remember that:

  • if you program many sites (or wildcards site data and/or FSS) along the route, the radio will always choose a site for you - and it may not be the one you want for where you are - it could (will likely) be the one behind you as you go and it could even be a site no where near you.

  • consider that along the route, the talkgroups are likely to change as you travel through counties or regions/districts and there is a limit on how many talkgroups can be placed into a single knob.

Putting the radio into FSS and TS-Monitor mode - using system parms (WACN, SysID and/or even RFSS with wildcard Site FF) - could work but still with two problems - (a) no TG alpha tags and (b) no encryption muting - it can get ugly depending upon where you are and how busy the system is and how much encryption is present. Even doing this, you'll want a different zone/knob for each system along the route.

I've done some "road trip" programming - both trying monitor mode and wildcards as well as route specific zone/knob. Each knob contained a specific system site and talkgroups configured based on the county I was passing through. As I crossed the county lines along the drive, I'd switch zones. This works if you know the area well and what you might hear on which sites along the route but not so well if you don't. And, again, extremely tedious and time consuming to do this level of detailed programming for a trip where you are only in an area for < 1 hour maybe twice over a week for the trip.

These days, I do less programming like this for the drive and focus more on where I'll be spending at least a day - it's much more useful and worthwhile....



Yeah that sounds about right. We will be in Florida for about 2.5 weeks when we go and I have orange and Osceola counties all programmed and ready to go so I’ll prob just stick with that.
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Is there a way to lock or passcode the pager (not the pps) so it can’t be programmed without the password, in case it’s stolen?


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Next question
Has anyone tried using the color schemes for individual TGs? I had my FDs one color then the rest of my towns another color and then all other TGs no color. When other towns are busy back and forth I have no issue with the beginning of the message being cutoff ( all have the same voice buffering option set) but as soon as my FD talks it shows the TG and the color but no audio comes through for about 2 seconds. It only seems to happen on the TGs with colors set.
My simple fix was to just get rid of all colors as I don’t really need them just thought it was cool and all is well, just wanted to see if anyone else noticed this?


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