20 KHz on XPR5580.

[N4KVE]

At home I’m using my XPR5580 to monitor 902/927 ham freq’s, & the 800 NPSPAC freq’s that are within range. I’ve always set the bandwidth to 25 KHz for 800, but read today that it’s supposed to be 20 for NPSPAC. I have no problem with what I hear, but I wanted to set it to 20. So I go into the code plug, & the only two choices are 25, & 12.5. These radios don’t do 20 KHz?

 

[Cameron314]

NPSPAC is 20K0F3E

 

[N4KVE]

NPSPAC is 20K0F3E

I know, but that’s not a choice.

 

[Cameron314]

Yeah it is, it's 25 khz. You have it set correctly.

 

[N4KVE]

Yeah it is, it's 25 khz. You have it set correctly.

So what’s this? My XTS’s, & APX’s allow for this setting, but the XPR does not.

16K0F3E *

Frequency modulated (FM) analog voice, 4 kHz deviation (NPSPAC); (FM mode in RadioReference.com Database).

 

[KevinC]

So what’s this? My XTS’s, & APX’s allow for this setting, but the XPR does not.

16K0F3E *

Frequency modulated (FM) analog voice, 4 kHz deviation (NPSPAC); (FM mode in RadioReference.com Database).

That’s because 4 kHz is pretty much only used on the NPSPAC channels and the XPR isn’t a PS radio.

 

[GTR8000]

Directly from the XPR 5580 spec sheet:



So no, 4.0/20 kHz is clearly not an option, for the reason @KevinC stated.

 

[N4KVE]

That’s because 4 kHz is pretty much only used on the NPSPAC channels and the XPR isn’t a PS radio.

Thanks. Now that you mention it, years ago I had to get an EID from Canada to allow the NPSPAC freq’s to be programmed in my XPR’s.

 

[Cameron314]

So what’s this? My XTS’s, & APX’s allow for this setting, but the XPR does not.

16K0F3E *

Frequency modulated (FM) analog voice, 4 kHz deviation (NPSPAC); (FM mode in RadioReference.com Database).

I would check that what you are wanting to program is really 16K0F3E.

 

[N4KVE]

I would check that what you are wanting to program is really 16K0F3E.

It is, but since the radio can’t do it, the wide band setting will have to do.

 

[mmckenna]

That’s because 4 kHz is pretty much only used on the NPSPAC channels and the XPR isn’t a PS radio.

We ran into this years ago. I have a system on NPSPAC frequency pairs. I needed to replace our old SmartNet system and was looking at P25, NXDN and DMR.
P25 was out, too expensive at the time.
NXDN worked well and did what we needed.
DMR/MotoTrbo worked, but Motorola had the firmware set up at the time to not allow programming of NPSPAC frequencies. Went round and round with them about this, and they kept saying "DMR/Trbo isn't for public safety use, so no NPSPAC. If you want to use NPSPAC channels, you MUST use P25"

So, I went with Kenwood/NXDN.

I think back then, Motorola was trying to force the customers to P25 and happily made you think that there was some sort of legal requirement behind going with P25. There wasn't.
But, that Motorola NPSPAC software requirement thing hung around for a while, then disappeared. Or, at least I thought it did….

 

[N4KVE]

We ran into this years ago. I have a system on NPSPAC frequency pairs. I needed to replace our old SmartNet system and was looking at P25, NXDN and DMR.
P25 was out, too expensive at the time.
NXDN worked well and did what we needed.
DMR/MotoTrbo worked, but Motorola had the firmware set up at the time to not allow programming of NPSPAC frequencies. Went round and round with them about this, and they kept saying "DMR/Trbo isn't for public safety use, so no NPSPAC. If you want to use NPSPAC channels, you MUST use P25"

So, I went with Kenwood/NXDN.

I think back then, Motorola was trying to force the customers to P25 and happily made you think that there was some sort of legal requirement behind going with P25. There wasn't.
But, that Motorola NPSPAC software requirement thing hung around for a while, then disappeared. Or, at least I thought it did….

They have a Canadian EID to allow that, since there’s no NPSPAC in Canada, and some entities there need to use those freq’s. Found this on a Moto page. And the reference to ”above 866” was changed, & now includes 851-854.

Similar to the idea with Canada Full Frequency Range, which lets you program 800MHz frequencies above 866MHz if you can show that the radio is going to be used in Canada.

The entitlements for wideband and Canada Full Frequency Range are free, but you have to be able to show that you have a legitimate CPS license. This will screw most of the ham community!

The entitlement stays around even if you uninstall CPS and reinstall, so I suspect it's just a registry key somewhere to turn this stuff on and off.

If they were smart, they would have made it so ham, marine etc frequencies didn't require narrowband but enforced it everywhere else, as they did on the APX CPS.

 

[Cameron314]

That said if you are just RX it won't matter much (at all).

We ran into this years ago. I have a system on NPSPAC frequency pairs. I needed to replace our old SmartNet system and was looking at P25, NXDN and DMR.
P25 was out, too expensive at the time.
NXDN worked well and did what we needed.
DMR/MotoTrbo worked, but Motorola had the firmware set up at the time to not allow programming of NPSPAC frequencies. Went round and round with them about this, and they kept saying "DMR/Trbo isn't for public safety use, so no NPSPAC. If you want to use NPSPAC channels, you MUST use P25"

So, I went with Kenwood/NXDN.

I think back then, Motorola was trying to force the customers to P25 and happily made you think that there was some sort of legal requirement behind going with P25. There wasn't.
But, that Motorola NPSPAC software requirement thing hung around for a while, then disappeared. Or, at least I thought it did….

They have done that for some time haven't they? I seem to recall the LTS/MTX didn't allow NPSPAC frequencies for the same reason.