Action missed in red deer, need help so I don't miss it again

[Corey9212]

I was listening to my scanner today and heard on the trunking system a guy breathing heavily like he was running say mayday 3 times (in distress) and someone came on and said for everyone to tune to tac 6 then it went dead, I am flipping through my frequencies and can't find any tac channels anywhere (I am suspecting RCMP but not sure) does anyone know these frequencies are cause I would have really liked to know what happened and don't want to miss anything else.

Thanks.

 

[robertmac]

RCMP trunked or linked repeater

I am no expert on this, but I didn't think that RCMP were trunked other than their linking system. It may help to give a frequency or other identifier that you saw on your scanner. This would help narrow down what services this may have come from and where. I see you are in Innisfail so if RCMP, Tac 6 may be simplex so unless closs to Innisfail may not have heard anything simplex down in the valley that part of Red Deer has. When I have been in Innisfail, I have been able to hear RCMP repeaters from Rocky, and Red Deer in the North, down to Olds, Didsbury in the south. So if any of these went simplex outside Innisfail, unless you have a good and high antenna, probably would not be able to hear them. But a little more information, like a frequency, would help narrow the service down more. If you have not already looked, the Database under Alberta Provincial Agencies, Public Safety Police will give you the RCMP frequencies. The same Database under Red Deer will give you other services there as well. But the frequency you heard this on will may help someone narrow it down.

 

[Corey9212]

I am no expert on this, but I didn't think that RCMP were trunked other than their linking system. It may help to give a frequency or other identifier that you saw on your scanner. This would help narrow down what services this may have come from and where. I see you are in Innisfail so if RCMP, Tac 6 may be simplex so unless closs to Innisfail may not have heard anything simplex down in the valley that part of Red Deer has. When I have been in Innisfail, I have been able to hear RCMP repeaters from Rocky, and Red Deer in the North, down to Olds, Didsbury in the south. So if any of these went simplex outside Innisfail, unless you have a good and high antenna, probably would not be able to hear them. But a little more information, like a frequency, would help narrow the service down more. If you have not already looked, the Database under Alberta Provincial Agencies, Public Safety Police will give you the RCMP frequencies. The same Database under Red Deer will give you other services there as well. But the frequency you heard this on will may help someone narrow it down.

I was in red deer at the time I heard it but I don't know the frequency it was on but do know it was on the trunked system. I remember the MOT: was in the 81000's I'm not 100% certain but I think it was either 81008 or 81003. Was parking at the time it came on and didn't get much info. I also do remember hearing someone (I think it was someone from the tac 6 channel talking to someone on the trunked channel) and it sounded like he said red team (which is why I figured police like swat or something) but also heard a guy who sounded like he was wearing a mask and mentioned something about extracting a firefighter when it was all clear so I'm not sure.

 

[SCPD]

Most likely you heard "RIT TEAM" and it most definately sounds like fire department activity, not SWAT.

Typically firefighters use mayday when they become trapped or lost in a burning structure. Then the RIT team will go in and extract said firefighter.

As pointed out, Tac6 is most likely simplex use, and will work on a fireground. One would have to be very close to the fireground to pick up that traffic because it isn't repeated.

 

[harryshute]

Group 7984 is Fire Tac 4 and is not simplex. Agree that it was fire rather than RCMP. I'm still looking for Tac 6. It could be for training.

 

[Corey9212]

Most likely you heard "RIT TEAM" and it most definately sounds like fire department activity, not SWAT.

Typically firefighters use mayday when they become trapped or lost in a burning structure. Then the RIT team will go in and extract said firefighter.

As pointed out, Tac6 is most likely simplex use, and will work on a fireground. One would have to be very close to the fireground to pick up that traffic because it isn't repeated.

But the only Tac channels listed for firefighters is Tac2 and Tac3 and they are both using the Trunking system and they were quiet when that was happening. What does RIT stand for?

 

[Corey9212]

Group 7984 is Fire Tac 4 and is not simplex. Agree that it was fire rather than RCMP. I'm still looking for Tac 6. It could be for training.

so because group 7984 is not in the database I am right to presume that the web page is out dated and needs to bu up dated? If so, any idea where I can find all the new/updated frequencies?
Thanks

 

[harryshute]

I would search the system for Id's in the 7800 to 8300 area. There should be at least 10 Tac's I believe including 10 which is 8272 also try 8080. The database is sadly out of date but I don't live near enough to do this myself. You may want to listen to the audio achives on the RR feed to hear this training incident again. If it were an actual may day I don't think any dispatcher would direct communication to another channel unless it was training. Most likely training was on Tac 6 and someone's radio got switched to Tac 1 to 3 which were in your scanner.

RIT I don't know. Rapid Insertion Team?

 

[Corey9212]

I would search the system for Id's in the 7800 to 8300 area. There should be at least 10 Tac's I believe including 10 which is 8272 also try 8080. The database is sadly out of date but I don't live near enough to do this myself. You may want to listen to the audio achives on the RR feed to hear this training incident again. If it were an actual may day I don't think any dispatcher would direct communication to another channel unless it was training. Most likely training was on Tac 6 and someone's radio got switched to Tac 1 to 3 which were in your scanner.

RIT I don't know. Rapid Insertion Team?

Ok, I know this is a really newbie question and I'm sorry for it but how do you search the system for Id's in the 7800 to 8300 area? I am using the GSR-300 C with the PSREdit 300 software (I have Win97 but can't get it to work with my scanner.) I will check the feed to see.

 

[harryshute]

Fair enough question and you've answered my first question re scanner and software. I know Edmonton Scan uses GRE and PSR Edit so hopefully he can help. I believe it's as easy as checking a blank on the the software to change the scan of the Red Deer system to search. Then watch for activity and Id's in the 7800 to 8300 area for the new fire/ems tacs.

Once you have confirmed some it would be great if you could post and submit them to the database so Red Deer can be updated.

 

[SCPD]

RIT = Rapid Intervention Team (at least in my location).

 

[harryshute]

For Red Deer I just did some figuring by adding 32 to each talk group as that appears how the system was set up. My predictions show most likely the groups you are looking for are: 7984, 8016, 8048, 8080, 8112, 8144, 8176, 8208, 8240 and 8272. If more are needed just continue adding 32 and add them in your scanner. I'm interested to find out what you hear.

 

[Corey9212]

For Red Deer I just did some figuring by adding 32 to each talk group as that appears how the system was set up. My predictions show most likely the groups you are looking for are: 7984, 8016, 8048, 8080, 8112, 8144, 8176, 8208, 8240 and 8272. If more are needed just continue adding 32 and add them in your scanner. I'm interested to find out what you hear.

I will give that a try and let you know my findings

 

[Corey9212]

Ok after going over the feed archives for that day I am confused, there was a request for training on a tac channel and it was assigned tac8 but what the feed didn't pick up was the woman telling everyone to go to tac6 so was it training or was it real? also I can confirm it was the RIT being deployed. The link is here Feed Archives for: Red Deer County Fire, EMS, City Public Works, and RCMP just go to 2011-20-10 and scroll down to 2:20-2:50pm and it is 8 min and 9 sec. in. when the mayday was broadcasted.

 

[harryshute]

Good work!! Keep in mind all the Tac talk groups may not be scanned by the Red Deer feed provider. I think it must have been training.

 

[harryshute]

According to my guess Tac 6 should be 8048 and Tac 8 8112.

 

[SaNcHeX]

But the only Tac channels listed for firefighters is Tac2 and Tac3 and they are both using the Trunking system and they were quiet when that was happening. What does RIT stand for?

RIT stands for: Rapid Intervention Team. It is a team of firefighters that is used to quickly locate a downed fire fighter.

 

[Corey9212]

Hello I just wanted to keep everyone updated with my quest to update the frequencies in red deer and I have so far found the following.
These are talkgroups I have found on the Red Deer Public works, some if them I have verified and others I am still trying to figure out who they belong to.

8016 - Tac5
3312 - Station 4
6532 - city of red deer (not sure what division)
6416 - city of red deer (not sure what division)
7056 - not sure what it was but there was an anouncement of a missing child
36880 - not sure but there was a request to slow down traffic flow
the followin frequencies I heard talking but couldn't figure out who they related to.
4976
8304
35600
8048
4848

If anyone has anymore or can fill in the talkgroups that I havent figured out, please let me know.

 

[harryshute]

Corey thanks for checking in with your results. It appears you have now heard the elusive Tac 6 which I feel is 8048. Some of the others appear to be Roadways and Electric, Light and Power. Thanks for the confirm on Tac 5 EMS and Fire.

 

[Corey9212]

Corey thanks for checking in with your results. It appears you have now heard the elusive Tac 6 which I feel is 8048. Some of the others appear to be Roadways and Electric, Light and Power. Thanks for the confirm on Tac 5 EMS and Fire.

More things to update in my scanner I was wandering what tac 6 was. No problem on confirming tac 5, it was switched to on a motor vehicle collision so that's how I know about it. Now I get to have fun programming my new scanner (PSR-800)