Airport fire in the OC

[Randyk4661]

The Airport fire in Orange County is getting close to Santiago peak and fire fighters are having a difficult time getting the the peak because of conditions.
OC Fire access (151.010) has some good comms.
Not sure what VTac they are going to use once they get there. I heard VTac23? mentioned.

 

[MEDIC135]

The Airport fire in Orange County is getting close to Santiago peak and fire fighters are having a difficult time getting the the peak because of conditions.
OC Fire access (151.010) has some good comms.
Not sure what VTac they are going to use once they get there. I heard VTac23? mentioned.

There are crews up there
Look at the Santiago Peak cams

 

[xilix]

>> Look at the Santiago Peak cams

ALERTCalifornia - Santiago Peak CalOES S

ops.alertcalifornia.org

ALERTCalifornia - Santiago Peak 1

ops.alertcalifornia.org

ALERTCalifornia - Santiago Peak 2

ops.alertcalifornia.org

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

CDF A/G is active at 2am this morning on the Solar Plan I use when active fires are going. See attached. It's all good stuff


All the V-FIRE tacs are being used too. I am hearing the input and the ouput frequencies too. Nice. Doing water drops in the middle of the night at 2am. Pretty cool stuff sometimes when we get the chance to hear some good comms. Program all of these frequencies into your radios. This is the Solar Plan comm plan.

 

[avascan522]

9AM Tues - CalFire A/G 6 was mentioned over Command. Seems to be another freq for this fire. Very active this morning. 159.285, 192.8

 

[xilix]

As of 4:37am this morning, power to most of the sites at Santiago Peak is out.
US Forestry and CalFire was up there overnight doing structure protection.

 

[Alain]

What criteria is met to attach a specific agency to an incident; i.e., NIFC over Cal-Fire; USFS over OCFD, etc?

In other words, when a fire of this magnitude occurs, which agency gets assigned to it, and who assigns them to the fire? If that agency becomes overwhelmed, do they then get resources from the agency "next in line" automatically?

I'm unsure as to how the heirachy/protocol works in these agencies. Can someone enlighten me?

Thank you.

 

[inigo88]

The Santiago Peak cams got pretty exciting this morning!





News says there’s damage to the site but radio systems are still working.

 

[avascan522]

What criteria is met to attach a specific agency to an incident; i.e., NIFC over Cal-Fire; USFS over OCFD, etc?

In other words, when a fire of this magnitude occurs, which agency gets assigned to it, and who assigns them to the fire? If that agency becomes overwhelmed, do they then get resources from the agency "next in line" automatically?

I'm unsure as to how the heirachy/protocol works in these agencies. Can someone enlighten me?

Thank you.

It's by jurisdiction, or as they call it "responsibility area." In this case, the Airport Fire started in LRA, or Local Responsibility Area. A fire in CA state land would be SRA, or State R.A. Another is FRA, or Federal area, in which case the USFS would be responsible for the incident including response and management. If any of these organizations would need mutual aid, they can request it such as strike teams, heavy equipment, aircraft, etc.
There is not really a "next in line," it just depends who is closest. I.e.: the USFS getting assistance from San Bernardino FD and SD since the fire was creeping into their area as well as them having more resources available to immediately deploy. (Type-III engines, dozers, hand crews, aircraft, etc.)

 

[Alain]

It's by jurisdiction, or as they call it "responsibility area." In this case, the Airport Fire started in LRA, or Local Responsibility Area. A fire in CA state land would be SRA, or State R.A. Another is FRA, or Federal area, in which case the USFS would be responsible for the incident including response and management. If any of these organizations would need mutual aid, they can request it such as strike teams, heavy equipment, aircraft, etc.
There is not really a "next in line," it just depends who is closest. I.e.: the USFS getting assistance from San Bernardino FD and SD since the fire was creeping into their area as well as them having more resources available to immediately deploy. (Type-III engines, dozers, hand crews, aircraft, etc.)

avascan522,​

Thanks for the information. So, in the case of this fire, it was first addressed by OCFD, right?

I heard ten minutes ago that the fire is now creeping into Lake Elsinore; so Riverside is now available to assist. Correct?

Lastly, I just learned that 122.920 is another freq. It may be old news, but it's news to me. Thanks again.

 

[es93546]

As of 4:37am this morning, power to most of the sites at Santiago Peak is out.
US Forestry and CalFire was up there overnight doing structure protection.

Just so you know in the future there is not a federal agency known as "US Forestry." It is the U.S. Forest Service. This may make a difference when you look up frequency lists and the like.

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

I am pretty sure they have enough equipment and water tenders for the top of Santiago Peak. There is so much communicaiton equipment and towers that there is no way they would lose the top of Santiago Peak. Complete devistation of radio comms and microwave and so on. It's a long drive up Maple springs Road to four corners and then up to the top of the peak. Harding Truck Trail will get you to four corners too. Then peal off up to the top of the peak for the radio comm towers and just everything up there.

Wonder if the electricity lines that feed the top have melted away or the peak still have power to the radio comm equipment. I saw spot fires at 3:30am right now. From looking at the pictures of the fire at the peak looks likes they could lose the battle but hope not. Will be interesting to hear more on Wednesday morning.

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

As of 4:37am this morning, power to most of the sites at Santiago Peak is out.
US Forestry and CalFire was up there overnight doing structure protection.

Wow. Just read this. No electricty to the peak. Wonder if there is solar panels or most likely there is gas driven big generators that are feeding the power to the comm equipment. Might be sending up a fuel truck to keep the power going to all Radio comm equipment. Have not seen this kind of fire hit the Santiago Peak in a long time. HAHA>

Think about the guy driving up a truck full of liquid exposive fuel in a fire driven area. Not sure if that would even happen or be allowed. Just something to think about.

 

[Mikek]

Airport Command has changed from Fire OC to OC Access today. 151.085 136.5

 

[AM909]

Are there comm plans being posted/updated somewhere?

 

[avascan522]

Are there comm plans being posted/updated somewhere?

Sent it to you.

 

[Mikek]

Are there comm plans being posted/updated somewhere?

Index of /public/incident_specific_data/calif_s/!2024_Incidents_Federal/CA-ORC-127883-Airport/IAP

 

[xilix]

As of 12:53pm this afternoon, we have power back at Santiago !

 

[Kingscup]

Forward rate of progress stopped.