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Here it is Robertmac. A thread dedicated to the myth of interoperability.
that's the idea. Sharing ideas.
yea the amateur community already does 'interop' everyday when we talk on the radio.
inevitably it leads there! along the lines of 'first responders use P25 so should we' wacker justification of using digital modes.
I sure hope not! As a volunteer I expect the organizer to have decided on repeater/emission/back up frequency. That tells me what I need to take. Usually though I take a couple of spare radios just in case someone shows up with a dead battery or a radio fails, or an appliance op can't program his radio ect. ect.
The more the better. I actually do participate in public service events, regularly. Usually others there are people I actually enjoy talking to, Usually we go to another band so that we can chat and not desense our radio operating on the event(event on VHF so we go and chat on UHF) at the last event we chatted on simplex UHF DSTAR while the event was conducted on VHF analogue.
You are not limited when a parade or race is using APRS, for the Fallen 4 Marathon we have a tracker we put on the tail end vehicle, the net control station has a computer they can watch where the last person is. Not having APRS does not limit one ps ability to pitch in and help out.
Again, what radio to take should be detailed in an info pack you should receive long before you head out to the event. Anything less turns said event into a Cluster F*ck and makes the amateur community like like a joke.
Same goes for ARES, I know what I need to bring when we go to support AEMA, i also know what to take if I get deployed. This is called planning. And practise. Will every thing go according to plan? Nope, but I can think outside of the box and can make things work, if not I have the right people to ask to make things work.
For any hamming, mode does not matter. Even ARES, we improvised during last years flooding and used DStar to talk to both Canmore and Medicine Hat. At the time we had no plans to utilize DStar, yet now we have included it as another tool in the tool box.
All clubs need support, my support is selective.
They do not "need support" we choose to support the modes we are interested in. I enjoy APRS, and have helped put a few digi-peaters on the air.
Hopefully in the near future DMR will be coming to Alberta. I have already applied to and received my RID for when I get a DMR radio.
Hams were whining the same thing when AMA was invented, and SSB, and FM. It goes on and on. History repeaters itself. These new digital modes are no different. Yet we still communicate.
ummmmm you just made my point.
Well I would say that you are wrong. Icom seems to think DStar is the way to go, Yaesu thinks their format is the way to go, DMR is gaining traction as is P25 and NXDN. All these modes have people using them, and that pool is growing.
And at the end of the day if the radios we buy can transmit wfm we CAN all talk to each other.
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Well, I guess I will express my attitude.
that's the idea. Sharing ideas.
The discussion is within ham radio use and being interoperability has been discussed in other posts and different forums.
yea the amateur community already does 'interop' everyday when we talk on the radio.
I am not talking of interoperability with other agencies.
inevitably it leads there! along the lines of 'first responders use P25 so should we' wacker justification of using digital modes.
For example, are we heading to the point when working a car rally that one has to decide what mode we use?
I sure hope not! As a volunteer I expect the organizer to have decided on repeater/emission/back up frequency. That tells me what I need to take. Usually though I take a couple of spare radios just in case someone shows up with a dead battery or a radio fails, or an appliance op can't program his radio ect. ect.
Or how many radios we have to take?
The more the better. I actually do participate in public service events, regularly. Usually others there are people I actually enjoy talking to, Usually we go to another band so that we can chat and not desense our radio operating on the event(event on VHF so we go and chat on UHF) at the last event we chatted on simplex UHF DSTAR while the event was conducted on VHF analogue.
Even with the need for APRS at car rallies, parades limits ones ability to help. Now if our income allowed, we could probably buy all the radios we want.
You are not limited when a parade or race is using APRS, for the Fallen 4 Marathon we have a tracker we put on the tail end vehicle, the net control station has a computer they can watch where the last person is. Not having APRS does not limit one ps ability to pitch in and help out.
For the next parade, car rally, flood, search and rescue do I take the SSB, FM, P25, D-star, Yaesu, Kirishun, NXDN, etc..
Again, what radio to take should be detailed in an info pack you should receive long before you head out to the event. Anything less turns said event into a Cluster F*ck and makes the amateur community like like a joke.
Same goes for ARES, I know what I need to bring when we go to support AEMA, i also know what to take if I get deployed. This is called planning. And practise. Will every thing go according to plan? Nope, but I can think outside of the box and can make things work, if not I have the right people to ask to make things work.
Yes, for general hamming, it matters beans about what mode.
For any hamming, mode does not matter. Even ARES, we improvised during last years flooding and used DStar to talk to both Canmore and Medicine Hat. At the time we had no plans to utilize DStar, yet now we have included it as another tool in the tool box.
wackers are sick and need help.Or if one is a wacker.
I do like to support the clubs that put up repeaters. There are some cases where if I had the capability to use all the digital modes on repeaters, I would have a hard time supporting these clubs let alone the radios to use on the repeaters.
All clubs need support, my support is selective.
D-Star needs support, P25 needs support.
They do not "need support" we choose to support the modes we are interested in. I enjoy APRS, and have helped put a few digi-peaters on the air.
We have yet to get into NXDN, TRBO repeaters in Alberta.
Hopefully in the near future DMR will be coming to Alberta. I have already applied to and received my RID for when I get a DMR radio.
My attitude, right or wrong, is that all these digital modes are fragmenting hamming.
Hams were whining the same thing when AMA was invented, and SSB, and FM. It goes on and on. History repeaters itself. These new digital modes are no different. Yet we still communicate.
yet the hobby is still here ant thriving with all these digital modes.I know this was discussed when AM voice, FM, SSB came out.
A lot of younger hams were not around when this happened. No different today. And I don't smoke the good stuff or the bad. Some people haven't lived long enough to have spent money on the "latest and greatest widget" only to see it sit on the shelf collecting dust or trying to sell at the next garage sale.
ummmmm you just made my point.
There isn't enough dollars or amateur radio operators to go around to have all these ham radio manufacturers developing their own "digital mode".
Well I would say that you are wrong. Icom seems to think DStar is the way to go, Yaesu thinks their format is the way to go, DMR is gaining traction as is P25 and NXDN. All these modes have people using them, and that pool is growing.
And at the end of the day if the radios we buy can transmit wfm we CAN all talk to each other.
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