XPR ANY Motorola XPR EXPERTS on this site?

[TampaTyron]

So, I am still not clear on what you are trying to do. You now say that you are looking to link some mobiles together over the internet, but you won't be using repeaters (at least not to start). Also, you state it is to cover some neighborhoods. At that point, you are looking at something like CriticalRF (are they still around?), IP223/IP224 boxes inside UT3302 tunnels, or some PTT ROIP solution like ESchat or similar (google ROIP app, you will need a local gateway at each geographic licaltion). Just so we are clear here, you seem to be locked on to both parts of the solution and the lack of credentials/experience of those helping you. At this point, I think my free advice is not helping. Feel free to contact a shop or other professional to help you with this. The services of a good design professional are $150-250 an hour. My boss charges the top end of that for my time in 40 hour increments (aka $10k a week). Good luck. TT

 

[radioopperator]

you would be surprised at how many US Motorola shops I contacted their sales departments and I get: You out of our area so we can't help you!
Or we will research what you need I'm not failure and we will get back with you and they never do! My guess is its a small item and there isn't big money in it so there not interested in it? So yes I'm trying to do a ROIP type of thing. I didn't know about Google had any type of radio option?
and never heard of ESchat. These are the type of options I'm looking for? Not being a Motorola expert I would of assumed that if I bought a XPR repeater with the IP option enabled as a master I could point 5 base radios from remote sites to it and if I pulled out a ht and called out it would transmit through all the radios at the same time? But some one says I would also need Motorola site connect too? I expected the Motorola shops to say you want to hook 5 remote bases together via the internet you this at X location it costs $$$$ and then you need this at each location it costs$$$$ and so on but none would reply. So again hoping to find some one that really knows how to do it and is willing to say if it were me I would use this to keep it simple or if you want to throw money at it this is the state of the art option but it costs bucks? I'm not looking to add thousands of dollars to make it happen. just trying to get a small reasonable network so friends that moved that are not hams can still connect to
our old group.
Thanks.

 

[slicerwizard]

I'm not failure

You keep writing that. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean.

I didn't know about Google had any type of radio option?

I doubt that they do. Use Google to research ROIP solutions.

I expected the Motorola shops to say you want to hook 5 remote bases together via the internet you this at X location it costs $$$$ and then you need this at each location it costs$$$$ and so on but none would reply. So again hoping to find some one that really knows how to do it and is willing to say if it were me I would use this to keep it simple or if you want to throw money at it this is the state of the art option but it costs bucks? I'm not looking to add thousands of dollars to make it happen. just trying to get a small reasonable network so friends that moved that are not hams can still connect to our old group.

I would think that hams, cheapskates that they are, would be the ones to ask. There are enough smart ones out there tinkering with Moto gear that someone should have your answer. If a base radio can talk to a PC, they can be made to connect over the Internet - it just takes the right software.

 

[radioopperator]

Unfortunately the hams wrote software to link equipment together but for ham use only! Not for any others to use. Wish they would of released like a light model that would let you do small stuff like I'm trying to do.

 

[alcahuete]

You either want some sort of ROIP box or computer at each remote base location. Most ROIP boxes use Zello, and since you don't want to use a 3rd party app, that's probably out of the question. You can also use Teamspeak, and while it's a 3rd party app, you can at least run your own server.

Each radio connects to the computer's sound card. Each computer is connected to the Zello or Teamspeak channel. That's it! Very simple process that should work reasonably well.

 

[radioopperator]

That's what I think I'm gonna try? I have access to a team speak server I'm an admin on. I was hoping to connect the radios via to either a XPR repeater direct or to a small server package via an IP connection? Or even a hardware server made for this type of roip?
Thanks.

 

[kayn1n32008]

That's what I think I'm gonna try? I have access to a team speak server I'm an admin on. I was hoping to connect the radios via to either a XPR repeater direct or to a small server package via an IP connection? Or even a hardware server made for this type of roip?
Thanks.

I don’t think you will be happy with the results of what you are trying. Using teamspeak is going to require double vocoding.

The simplest, cleanest best sounding solution is going to be having repeaters at each location you want mobiles connected to the internet, and utilize either IP Site Connect, or Linked Capacity Plus(a better solution as you won’t be forced to have static talkgroups ties to static time slots).

With either solution above you will require the master repeater to have an externally route able IP address for the peers to connect to.

Advantages to
:

-You will not be double vocoding.
-You don’t need a server.
-You don’t need anything other than CAT-5/5e/6 connected to the router on site.

Advantages to using LCP including the advantages listed above:

-You get to control what talkgroups are used on what site, with the timeslot dynamically assigned based off of resources in use at the time the call is made.
-Using LCP, you will not be tying a talkgroup to a timeslot, and you can use All Call on the system and nobody will miss it. All Call on IPSC only goes out on the timeslot the all call is made on.

It may not be what you want to hear, but using Zello or Teamspeak is making your life more complicated.

 

[radioopperator]

Buying a used XPR repeater I'm good with but I have to find out what Motorola wants for Site connect? and is it a one time fee or yearly fee?
I would like to use remote bases at the remote locations instead of repeaters to keep costs down don't really need a repeater function just a simple tx/rx for local area. I don't know what the features of IP Site Connect, or Linked Capacity Plus entail but most likely way more than I need for a simple system. One talk group and two time slots should cover my needs. Just looking for a reasonable way to accomplish this with out breaking the bank as its for a hobby not a busness.

 

[alcahuete]

Buying a used XPR repeater I'm good with but I have to find out what Motorola wants for Site connect? and is it a one time fee or yearly fee?

None of the above. IP Site Connect was free on all XPR repeaters...at least the 8400s.

Yes, using a repeater at each location is going to by far offer the best quality, etc., but you're looking at a repeater, duplexer, and possibly adding a repeater to your license if it isn't already on there. You are looking at a TON of money.

I have run and installed Zello/Teamspeak links on probably a dozen systems or more, and they work fine. Is it going to be as good as dedicated repeaters in each location? Absolutely not. But it's going to save you tens of thousands of dollars. That's literally what it's going to cost you potentially for used repeaters, duplexers, tuning it all to your frequencies, and possibly modifying your license.

 

[radioopperator]

Well I have 3 HYT machines with the IP mod already done. I could use those but had hoped someone might of said, if you use this software package or this hardware device you can connect the PC link side of the XPR mobiles all together. Guess not so lucky.

 

[N1GTL]

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[jim202]

It is not a wise idea to use a mobile for what your basically are going to use as a base repeater. It is not designed for the type of duty cycle you will be putting it through. You will burn up the PA and maybe the driver section. Even with a fan running to blow air over the heat sink, your going to loose the mobile over time that your trying to use at the fixed locations.

The other point that no one has mention is you had better use the radio TOT (Time Out Timer) that is built into the radios. Make sure it is turned on and set to a time like maybe 3 minutes max. This way, those long winded people will have to learn to talk shorter and save the radio they are using as well as the remote base relays.

You might try looking at a local repeater here that has a network connection. Ozone Amateur Radio Club - Slidell, LA This is the link to the club web site. There should be some info on the radio hardware being used and how the repeater is linked to the Internet.

Jim

 

[radioopperator]

My friends and I are not long winded. And I planned to turn down the 30 watt mobiles to about 5 watts since I only wanted to cover about the area of their homes. Basically turning the mobile into the equivalent to a ham hot spot but for commercial frequencies. Hence the reason I cant use ham hot spots.