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With Experience in XTS NAS Using The conventional selective TG Scan Method (Voice Channel Scan) if I did the same thing on APX would it demodulate the TDMA Signals? Assuming it has TDMA in the flashcode.
 

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An APX will do non affiliate, listen only trunking scan with the standard CPS and no trunked system key required.
@KevinC literally just posted about that very thing barely two hours ago, and you've already gotten it partially wrong! 🤦‍♂️ Good grief, why do you insist on chiming in on literally every NAS thread when it's clear that a good deal of your info is outdated or you're out of touch with modern radios/methods? What happened to the "I'm no longer going to participate in NAS discussions" claim you made last year? Maybe you should stick to that and stop posting walls of text that amount to nothing.
 

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Maybe I'm getting older and my memory isn't the best. Consider just deleting anything I say that's wrong and not commenting on it, rather than trying to shame me on a forum. You know, that'd actually be kind of nice...for a change.
If you have something to correct me on, feel free to contact me via private message about it. I really would appreciate that basic courtesy.
 

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@ElroyJetson I understand your point about not wanting to be publicly "shamed", however at the same time...if you're going to continue to post so often even after being corrected on multiple occasions through the years, you're opening yourself up to public criticism. Again, I suggest that you follow your original plan to abstain from chiming in on NAS topics, it really is for the best at this point as you're simply (badly) regurgitating info from others or posting the same old ramblings.
 

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Ignoring the fight between Elroy and GTR8000, I know and have spend sleepless hours understanding nas, it’s just that I don’t feel comfortable with generating keys or finding out how to.
 

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I could only WISH that P25 TDMA was a thing in conventional operation. But I have yet to hear of that being available, from any manufacturer.
Somewhat OT but I see most stuff being replaced by LTE. Maybe we will have TS for a TDMA conventional, sorta like DMR. But I don't see that soon since it's not Motorola's interest, why have a TDMA p25 conventional when you can sell them a shiny new system for millions? Maybe if like Phase 3 comes out there like ah screw it and do that but I think it's unlikely.
Keys are touchy things. If you don't know where or how to obtain...then its probably better to find someone that knows what they are doing like a radio shop or a very good radio buddy
I don't think a shop would generate keys for NAS maybe I'm wrong.
 

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I don't think a shop would generate keys for NAS maybe I'm wrong.

That's generally referred to as a career ending event. Most radio guys are smart enough to not leak things like that. There is some integrity in the industry, but there's always a few that lack it.

Those that have a legitimate need to monitor a trunked system would have their agency properly request it through the system administrator, and the radio would be properly set up by a knowledgeable person (not a YouTubes expert). Or, they'd use a scanner.

But, like I said, there are better radios for doing NAS that don't require all this sneaky stuff. Unfortunately there are Motorola FanBois that have to have the batwings.
 

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But, like I said, there are better radios for doing NAS that don't require all this sneaky stuff. Unfortunately there are Motorola FanBois that have to have the batwings.
Which subscribers are better? And don’t tell me Harris because it takes hacked/pirated software to program it.
 

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Only 16 TG scan and no multi-system scan as far as I know.
hmm? I was told by a friend they can do as many TG scans. maybe he meant the BKR 9000 or whatever the new one is and yes Multi Sys because I've seen 2 systems being monitored at once but again it might have been the 9000 or whatever BKR released recently. I have not gotten to play with a KNG just yet.
 

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Even if it's only 16 would you rather someone affiliate? there precious $3000 TDMA tagless Motorola or a sub-par $3000 KNG that can LEGALLY nas?
I’m not here to argue. NAS in a MSI subscriber ain’t hard, I’ve been doing it for over 30 years.

I guess it depends on your definition of a better choice.
 
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