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[W4JKW]

For the record, 95.129 was revised in September of 2015 to read:

Every station in a GMRS system must use transmitters the FCC has certificated for use in the GMRS. Transmitters that have been certified for use in the GMRS may be found on the FCC Web site at https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. All station equipment in a GMRS system must comply with the technical rules in part 95.

Copied from eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations

 

[bharvey2]

I've always looked up radios on the FCC database to confirm that they are certified for Part 95 use although word of mouth has been what has pointed me toward a worthwhile candidate for a radio in the first place. I started with Maxon 4450 and SP2850 (because I had some already) and moved toward Kenwood TK880 radios. I don't know why they aren't labeled for such out of the factory as Rred alludes to. I don't own any repeaters so I'm not sure what, if any is certified Part 95. Can anyone else answer that?

BTW, Thanks for the info on the updated Part 95 rules. It's good to know that the FCC recognizes the internet as a method of communication now.

 

[Rred]

W5-
And yet, my vintage Kenwood h/t has a Part15 compliance label, and an FCC ID number, on two separate stickers under the battery. So that looking it up to see it is Part97 certified is real easy, going y the number. Point being, most of the "questionable" radios won't even have the FCC ID number. or the Part15 label.
Could be my memory is fooling but, but I was under the impression that a radio actually had to show some such certification number in order to be legally sold for use in that service. After all, running production changes can leave "the same" radio being an entirely different radio very easily.

 

[toastycookies]

W5-
And yet, my vintage Kenwood h/t has a Part15 compliance label, and an FCC ID number, on two separate stickers under the battery. So that looking it up to see it is Part97 certified is real easy, going y the number. Point being, most of the "questionable" radios won't even have the FCC ID number. or the Part15 label.
Could be my memory is fooling but, but I was under the impression that a radio actually had to show some such certification number in order to be legally sold for use in that service. After all, running production changes can leave "the same" radio being an entirely different radio very easily.

None of my Kenwood mobiles have a part 90 or 95 sticker that I can see, just a FCC ID, Canada ID, and a sentence about part 15


They are all dual certified Part 90/95.

 

[KD8DVR]

W5-
And yet, my vintage Kenwood h/t has a Part15 compliance label, and an FCC ID number, on two separate stickers under the battery. So that looking it up to see it is Part97 certified is real easy, going y the number. Point being, most of the "questionable" radios won't even have the FCC ID number. or the Part15 label.
Could be my memory is fooling but, but I was under the impression that a radio actually had to show some such certification number in order to be legally sold for use in that service. After all, running production changes can leave "the same" radio being an entirely different radio very easily.

You won't see Part 97 certification. All you will see is Part 15, which is all that is required for Amateur radio legality, other than home built stuff.

Services such as GMRS, FRS, Commercial, CB, etc, however, require a specific certification, unique to their specific services.

 

[Project25_MASTR]

W5-
And yet, my vintage Kenwood h/t has a Part15 compliance label, and an FCC ID number, on two separate stickers under the battery. So that looking it up to see it is Part97 certified is real easy, going y the number. Point being, most of the "questionable" radios won't even have the FCC ID number. or the Part15 label.
Could be my memory is fooling but, but I was under the impression that a radio actually had to show some such certification number in order to be legally sold for use in that service. After all, running production changes can leave "the same" radio being an entirely different radio very easily.

What defines vintage?

I've got plenty of vintage radio equipment which has dual FCC IDs on them. One for the receiver and the other for the transmitter as the two components are separate boards in a common enclosure. However, try searching them on the FCC database and you won't find anything on them...

Some of the radios: Motorola Micor, Motorola Mitrek, Motorola Mocom-70, GE Mastr II, GE Mastr Pro, GE Mastr II Exec, GE Custom MVP...I can go on listing equipment that pre-dates the database.

I can also go on listing stuff in the database that does not have any Part 15 stickers on it such as, Motorola CM300, Motorola M1225, Motorola Maxtrac, Motorola Radius, Motorola Spectra, Motorola Astro Spectra, Motorola Saber, Motorola Astro Saber, Motorola XTL 2500, Kenwood TK-880, Kenwood TK-690, Kenwood TK-6110, Kenwood TK-860, Simoco SDM630, Simoco SDP660, Motorola HT1000...

 

[Trebleplink]

As someone who has personally dealt with FCC inspectors over the years (been inspected 4 times) - let me say that enforcement actions usually result from 1. Causing interference to a licensed service. and 2. Blatant disregard of the rules.

Absent these, I don't see an inspector fussing over use of a part 90 radio in GMRS. I doubt they care much what you use unless you're doing 1 or 2.

 

[baltimorecs]

I would imagine that if people had non certified radios but used them properly the FCC would probably never care--but I know that will never be the case as there are always people around who are the reason for the rules.

 

[Seven-Delta-FortyOne]

All of which still doesn't tell us of any specific radios that are dual Part90/95 certified. Either currently, or out of production.

Kenwood TK-380 and TK-880.




Delta

 

[Rred]

Well, that's a sleeper. Apparently the 380 is approved (on some frequencies) for Parts 22,74,80,90,95 and I have no idea what some of those even might be. Then again...how many radios capable of trunking and encryption as well are out there and "known" to the general public?

 

[toastycookies]

Well, that's a sleeper. Apparently the 380 is approved (on some frequencies) for Parts 22,74,80,90,95 and I have no idea what some of those even might be. Then again...how many radios capable of trunking and encryption as well are out there and "known" to the general public?

this is normal (it's been kinda a thing for a long time).

 

[Project25_MASTR]

Well, that's a sleeper. Apparently the 380 is approved (on some frequencies) for Parts 22,74,80,90,95 and I have no idea what some of those even might be. Then again...how many radios capable of trunking and encryption as well are out there and "known" to the general public?

The Motorola Saber had dual/multi-cert if memory serves correct. So did the Systems Saber, 1225 family, Radius, Icom F21…

Out of the 3 analog only mobiles currently in production, 2 have 90/95A type acceptance (Kenwood has been very good about keeping options open for their grandfathered clients).


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[n5ims]

Well, that's a sleeper. Apparently the 380 is approved (on some frequencies) for Parts 22,74,80,90,95 and I have no idea what some of those even might be. Then again...how many radios capable of trunking and encryption as well are out there and "known" to the general public?

Part 22 - PUBLIC MOBILE SERVICES --> http://www.spectrumwiki.com/47cfr/current/47CFR022.pdf
Part 74 - EXPERIMENTAL RADIO, AUXILIARY, SPECIAL BROADCAST AND OTHER PROGRAM DISTRIBUTIONAL SERVICES --> http://www.spectrumwiki.com/47cfr/current/47CFR074.pdf
Part 80 - STATIONS IN THE MARITIME SERVICES --> http://www.spectrumwiki.com/47cfr/current/47CFR080.pdf
Part 90 - PRIVATE LAND MOBILE RADIO SERVICES --> http://www.spectrumwiki.com/47cfr/current/47CFR090.pdf
Part 95 - PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES --> http://www.spectrumwiki.com/47cfr/current/47CFR095.pdf

Please note that many of these parts contain several services and certifications may be limited to specific service(s). For example, Part 95 certification won't cover all of those services (GMRS, FRS, CB Radio Service, MURS, etc.) but will be limited to only one or two as detailed in the certification grant. The related certification should be detailed by a letter following the part number of '95'. For example, a radio certified for GMRS use would indicate it's certified under Part 95A.

 

[Seven-Delta-FortyOne]

Well, that's a sleeper. Apparently the 380 is approved (on some frequencies) for Parts 22,74,80,90,95 and I have no idea what some of those even might be. Then again...how many radios capable of trunking and encryption as well are out there and "known" to the general public?

That's interesting. Can't figure out why they would have sought type acceptance for part 80, as this is a UHF radio. Hmmm.





Delta

 

[SCPD]

Why worry?You think the FCC is going to come check your radio to ensure you have a type accepted one?I'm sure thats top priority nowadays.
Theres people transmitting all over the FM band illegally,the ham bands are swamped with jammers.Yeah the new router or tv you just bought complies with FCC rules and transmits harmonics all over the rf spectrum.So it all makes sense.I think you'd have to jam an aircraft frequency before they did something to you.

 

[Project25_MASTR]

That's interesting. Can't figure out why they would have sought type acceptance for part 80, as this is a UHF radio. Hmmm.











Delta

Probably covers the entire x80 portable line.


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[Seven-Delta-FortyOne]

Probably covers the entire x80 portable line.


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Thanks, makes sense.

That means I could use a 280, and put some ham freq's in there, too. Sweet.



Delta