BART PD on MUNI?????

[cristisphoto]

BART PD was doing ACTIVE PATROLS last week
NO Muni "PD", were around

this was around 2100 as I left the WIFI cafe headed en route home....
I have been here in San Francisco since late 2000/early 2001
and I have NEVER ever seen the BART PD on Muni
NEVER!!!
why was this would this be
can they bust you on a MUNI TRAIN
or would they be out of bounds
I was about to tell those clowns to shove it and go back to BART LOL
But I had my laptop on me and didnt want to get it brken while I was gettin my Behind stopmed in LOL
so I kept my mouth shut
anyways
ANy advice please
They cant do Nuthin can they
as their Boundaries are BART
I mean they IN the MUNI SECTION on a MUNI Train

Thanks
Crista

By the way I pay my far EVRY MONTH SINCE 2003
So they cant get me feer that Lol

 

[cristisphoto]

Anyone Any Advice thanks

ANY two cents is welcome hither

Thanks
Crista

 

[trooperdude]

832PC is 832PC

Telling them to shove it is highly discouraged. :wink:

A peace officer in California is a peace officer ANYWHERE in California.

I wrote traffic cites all the time traveling to and from the park and park HQ "out of
my boundaries"

Maybe MUNI has a cross-enforcement agreement with BART.

Or maybe they were just commuting to-from work in uniform.

:lol:

 

[linuxwrangler]

Naturally you have your normal rights as a citizen, but telling a peace officer to shove it because he is "out of his jurisdiction means":

1) you have seen too many movies of the Smokey and the Bandit ilk where the bad-guys "just have to make it to the county line..."

2) you will be very surprised when you find that they do, in fact, have authority to enforce the law

3) you will greatly increase your chances of learning #2 while cooling your heels in jail

There are lots and lots of categories of peace officer. Nearly every category gives the officer authority anywhere in the state under a variety of circumstances including where an offense occurs in the presence of the officer and a likelyhood of escape exists. This pretty much covers anything that occurs in the presence of the officer.

Authority also typically extends wherever the chief of an area extends authority to officers from other agencies. Most places with overlapping jurisdiction have policies in place granting such authority as well as specifying, for statistical purposes, who is responsible for each area.

Take Berkeley, for example. There is, of course, Berkeley PD. The University of California police have full authority on campuses and within one mile of University property. Given the number of U.C. properties scattered around Berkeley this means most of the city. The CHP is primary on the freeways running through the city and East Bay Regional Parks PD covers the parklands. Their are railway lines running through the city so you have to include railroad police. BART runs through Berkeley so add BART PD. Peralta College District contracts with ACSO for police services but the Sheriff already has authority throughout the county. There's also Fish and Game and numerous other agencies with specified responsibilities like Corrections.

And I wouldn't advise telling any of them to "shove-it".

 

[karldotcom]

San Francisco has become a quagmire...it's time to pull out.

 

[ScannerDude244]

Once on the light rail I lost my ticket and got a $20 ticket for not having one!!!! I tired to tell the officer I had one, but again how many times does he hear that everyday. BUT I DID HAVE ONE!

 

[iepoker]

Me thinks Crista is like, um, oh my gaad, 13.

Grow up. Why would you be concerned about being 'busted' by a BART cop on a MUNI train? What are you hiding?

Did you ever fathom that perhaps MUNI is trying to clean up their trains (which, in the city share stations with BART) and provide better enforcement?

POST Certification is good throughout the state. A cop from SoCal can write a cite or make an arrest in humboldt Co. if he needs to.

 

[hotdjdave]

"While In The Performance Of Their Duty"

A peace officer in California is a peace officer ANYWHERE in California.

This technically is true. However, peace officers' authority derives from the Penal Code or some other state, county, or municipal code/statue, and usually indicates "while in the performance of their duty."

A "State Humane Officer/Investigator" or "SPCA Officer," which are peace officers, can only enforce laws within the scope of their duty.

The same holds true with Lottery Investigators, Code Enforcement Officers, Water and Power Officers, Bingo Commission Officers, Park Rangers, etc.

Department/agency policy plays a huge role, as well. Example: if a school police policy indicates that an officer can only enforce laws on school property, then this would hold up in a court of law; any action the officer may take while not within department policy can be thrown out of court. Same thing with off duty weapons. The state law allows for peace officers to carry off duty, but if department policy specifically disallows it, then an officer cannot carry off duty, regardless of the state law that allows peace officers to do so. Department policy usually trumps ambiguous or generic state laws.

True, a CA State Peace Officer has peace officer status anywhere in the state, but while in the performance of their duties and within the scope of their authority.

As for being able to take action, any citizen has the right and authority to take action when a misdemeanor is committed in his or her presence and when a felony has been committed and he or she knows in fact the person being arrested has committed the felony. Additionally, citizens have the right to use that amount of force necessary to make the arrest or prevent the escape of the person arrested. The only other requirement is that the the person arrested must be turned over to a magistrate as soon as reasonably possible.

As for infractions, these must be committed in the presence of an officer who can legally issue a summons/notice to appear in court or a release from custody (RFC) for committing such offense.

 

[trooperdude]

Thus the PC832 headline.

:roll:

 

[cristisphoto]

Me thinks Crista is like, um, oh my gaad, 13.

Grow up. Why would you be concerned about being 'busted' by a BART cop on a MUNI train? What are you hiding?

Did you ever fathom that perhaps MUNI is trying to clean up their trains (which, in the city share stations with BART) and provide better enforcement?

POST Certification is good throughout the state. A cop from SoCal can write a cite or make an arrest in humboldt Co. if he needs to.

I have More MAturyt in two years than you'ss have in 50
So F off
Being different I realize that San Francisco is one of the VERY FEW places where I am even Somewhat welcomed
I DONT ride BART cause It aint my tetittory as my HOME is in SF
Now for them to come into MY safe haven and Harrass and HATE on me that aint civil
Now is it
Thats where I'm coming from
So you GROW THE HEck
up
and get you head out of you WHITE mIddle class racist Phobic Butt

Crista

 

[iepoker]

I am white, probably considered lower to middle class... and as a fan of the Grateful Dead spent many, many, many days and nights in your City. Hell, for a few years my address could have easily been the Warfields Address on Market Street. Racist? What the hell brought that on? I only stated (and now insist) that your post was anti-cop and anti-Homeland Security... and frankly sounded like rantings of an adolescent.

A BART officer came onto the train and somehow infringed on your rights, is that what you are now babbling about?? Come on. They are on the trains for added security.

Whats funny is these cops probably didnt even say a word to you.... not one word.

Again, they are there for your safety. Bay Area cops are well known by most for being pretty damned mellow with those people who (your words, not mine) are 'different' Maybe being a girl is different in this room... and perhaps most scanner geeks will rush to your side to defend you, but again, grow up darlin', those cops are there to protect you... NO MATTER WHAT BADGE THEY WEAR.

I LOVE 'THE CITY'... I can get over the fact that 'libruls', gays and other misfits feel comfortable there. Hell, I think its the nicest big city in the world. As a deadhead, it was like utopia, nirvana and homebase all at the same time.

 

[cristisphoto]

I hear ya Brother i really do

But Until You have had the experiences i Have with
these so called mellow cops then you cant say Im being anti cop
My dad was a cop
and I am a NaVy vet
so I know from Experince the Mindset
and te few that are ok are forced to not be ok by peer pressure
fear of being refused backup in deadly situation etc
Now as far as SF
I LOVE SF
but lets Face it the Local Gov here is One the if not THE most Incompetent
POS Governmet there is ..

But really lets not get into a flame war
cause I LOVe Deaheads
Wish I could have seen the Hippie era but I was born in 78
Basicall let agree to disagre
o k
Warm Regards
to ya
Crista

 

[mrob907]

Just some FYI

The BART cops are Peace Officers yes, and in the state of California, like most states, their Peace Officer powers are all encompassing statewide. They could technically arrest you in L.A. if they wanted to.

However, that being said, their primary concern is BART. I've been a cop in SF for 20 years and I can safely say, I have never seen a BART cop on a MUNI train so that's a first. LOL

Sometimes other Agencies will help us out if we need more people to cover for special events and stuff, but that's usually all.

Nobody really likes being questioned or told what to do. As a pretty mild mannered guy, I have prided myself on being respectful to everyone and like it when I get the same back. Human nature I guess. So, since our MUNI rail has a large amount of theft that occurrs, I would be more inclined if I were on MUNI with a laptop in my hand, to just thank the cops for doing the thankless job they have, or just keep the criticism on the DL until they leave. You never know when that laptop is gonna get snatched by some low life and you might need them around.

Unless of course, they present you with an attitude. In those cases, I always have told my recruits, "don';t expect respect if you don't give it." Treat everyone like they are your own relative and people usually understand why you're doing what you're doing. Then explain why you are doing it when you get the chance.

Sorry this is so long

Thanks for your time

Mike

 

[joen7xxx]

Could the Bart PD just have been taking Muni home?

 

[WayneH]

FYI, this thread is over five years old.

 

[inigo88]

FYI, this thread is over five years old.

My mistake. I just reported one of "Christa's" posts without looking at the date first.