CHP dispatcher was testy

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brey1234

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The California Highway Patrol is looking for suspects in a freeway shooting, and also trying to explain why a CHP dispatcher was testy with a witness who dialed 911 to report the shootings. A female passenger in a car called to say she was following the suspects, and then wanted to stop to talk to a CHP officer she spotted. But the dispatcher apparently wanted her to stay on the line. The dispatcher said at one point, "...but do you not understand that I have communication with officers and now you're no longer behind them and now we'll never catch them?" Listen (.wav) to the logging tape here:

http://www.911dispatch.com/reference/freeway_shooting2.wma
 

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Sounded like the dispatcher was trying to get information out of the somewhat aloof (understandably) calling party during a potentially deadly situation. I don't see a problem with this call...
 

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pfft. you call that testy? i've heard worse on my DUI tips on 800tellchp.

thats nothing.

besides, it's CHP... don't expect a whole lot. they're stretched way too thin.
 
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I agree that this dispatcher was not testy. Her tone was very matter of fact in telling the RP that stopping to talk with the officer was a bad move, resulting in the undoing of the good observation and public service that the they (the woman and the man driving) had demonstrated. The dispatcher had very calmly told the RP why she could not instantly communicate with the CHP car the RP was observing and told her that stopping to speak the officer was not going to do any good.

I've never been a call taker put have had a fair amount of experience being the first on scene of many emergencies where time is of the essence. RP's can often waste valuable time relating parts of their observations that are not essential to getting the proper resources enroute to handle the situation. Every RP is different, with many being like the person on this recording who doesn't listen very well. I found that I often had to do one of the following: be blunt, raise my voice, interrupt, or change my body language (something a call taker does not have the ability to do and have it send a message to the RP). All of those things can be interpreted as being rude, testy, or lacking the ability to listen. Some people are not used to being completely direct, some try to distance themselves from what they have just seen by leaving some things out, and many are just died in the wool, passive-aggressive people who veil everything they say. Sometimes these are ways of communicating that have family or cultural origins. When you are trying to get the job done, you don't have time to analyze it, you just have to cut through all of that and get to the point in order to help everyone involved.

After you handled enough of these situations you begin to figure out what to use to get the situation handled. You never get it completely figured out as each new person you talk to has the potential to behave in ways that are new to your experience. When that happened to me (less than 10 of 3,000 or more contacts per year) and I did not handle the situation as well as I would have liked, or the whole think went completely "gunny sack", I tried to learn from it but did not beat myself up thinking about it as no one can bat 1.000. I thought under the circumstances that my average was pretty decent given the variety of people I came in contact with. I am amazed at how well call takers and dispatchers do day after day, all across the country. Let's try to remember that when we hear the recording of someone that we think did not do a good job. If someone posted the volumes and volumes of calls done very well under incredibly difficult circumstances it would not be news.
 

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brey1234 said:
The California Highway Patrol is looking for suspects in a freeway shooting, and also trying to explain why a CHP dispatcher was testy with a witness who dialed 911 to report the shootings.

Is this a line out of a story you read somewhere? If not, I'd like to know where the idea that the CHP was trying to explain anything came from??
 

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That's nothing. She's trying to get the job done, and the communication broke down. I thought she did a pretty dang good job.

Ditto...comms broke down in a big way. The caller rolls up behind a stopped CHP black and white and starts screaming at the CHP officers about this, meanwhile the white Explorer with 4 M/H's with guns are still speeding along shooting at the other car.

The comm center was probably relaying the info from the calltaker to that CHP unit, ergo he stopped and was waiting for the suspect vehicle and the RP to pass them. However, because the the RP got tunnel vision and failed to understand that staying with the calltaker was the key, her actions cost CHP valuable time in locating the suspect vehicle. In the time that it took the caller and the CHP officer to get on the same page, the officer(s) could have been hauling a$$ to catch up to the car.

The dispatcher did nothing wrong. You can only make a caller tell you information if they want to. I deal with callers like this one every day, and it's like pulling teeth sometimes just to get a location or what exactly the problem is that they are calling about.

Oh, and here's todays Public Service Announcement on behalf of dispatchers and cops everywhere:

*DO NOT* stop behind a cop car on the side of the road (traffic stop or not) unless specifically told to do so by a dispatcher on the phone or clear hand signal from said officer. Thank you.
 
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Often times people confuse the difference between "controlling" a conversation and "rudeness". There are established techniques (some that seem curt and rude) to obtain information quickly and efficiently. Verbal Judo is our friend. Moments such as this one, a real time emergency, requires specific information at a very quick rate and is often the most difficult. Sometimes refered to as " citizen pursuits " are one of the most frustrating/diffuclt calls to deal with due to the "in progress" nature.

As a dispatcher for 11 1/2 years, and a training officer, I only see two issues with this call. The tone of voice is not one of them.

Getting the callers first name and using it is a much better way to get the caller's attention. Ma'am is very generic and most citizens do not respond too well to it. Might as well say " hey! hey you! " instead of Sally! Mary! etc.

Also, the dispatcher should have said " If you do not feel safe following behind the suspect, you do not have to - keep a safe distance and obey traffic laws if you do." There is a huge liability when a dispatcher, under the color of authority, suggests or encourages a citizen to place themselves or continue in harms way. A dispatcher may not be a peace officer, but they do operate under the color of authority, which is very powerful - even over a phone call. Telling (ordering) a citizen what to do can open one to a lovely lawsuit, especially if it results in damage/injury. Obviously telling a citizen to get out of a burning building is not wrong, but telling or encouraging a citizen to follow an armed vehicle is just going to open up a whole lot of liability. "Yes your honor, I was shot by the suspect after the dispatcher told me to keep following the suspect." cha-ching $$$$$

I do understand the dispatcher's frustration - especially when the caller doesn't fully disclose their current actions or intentions. The caller was not very receptive at times. Also, pulling behind an officer, on a vehicle stop can be dangerous - that would have been a better thing to point out to the citizen. Much better than telling them they "let" the bad guy get away cause they didn't continue to follow.

When speaking to a dispatcher, don't expect customer service like the private sector. Don't expect chit-chat or friendly banter. You won't always hear please and thank you. Also, the customer is not always right and we will let you know (should be without being rude) Just because they are a civil servant and paid by your taxes, doesn't mean you're going to get treated like royality. You "should" get service, professionalism and competentcy. Sometimes dispatcher have to yell, raise their voice, be stern or be very matter-of-fact. That's the nature of talking to citizens in an emergency situation and making split second decisions and responses.

On the flipside, some agencies have become very touchy-feely and more "customer service" oriented with strict guidelines on interview techniques. Which works better? .........the one that gets the job done.
 
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I've worked as an operator for the major phone company in California for 10 years. I've heard just about everything. Often we have to patch a cell phone user into the CHP or a local PD because they are too stupid to dial 911. I've never had a dispatcher seem "rude" to a caller. Sometimes an operator or 911 call center person has to be direct in order for the call to get "back on track". Every day I am amazed at the stupidity of the general public.
Call takers have a tough job, especially if they have to keep their cool. Most days there is at least one caller who makes me want to reach through the phone line and strangle them!
 

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Antfreq nailed it.

A funny story along this line. About two years ago I was working in a very small community on a small island off the California coast. Our local judge actually lived on the mainland. One day he found some thugs stealing his kids skateboards from his backyard. He took off in pursuit of them but couldn't remember the phone number to his local PD. So he called me instead on the regular business line.He chased them while I passed the info to the agency in his area. At one point he lost them. A short while later he found them again. He said, "Hold on I found them". Then he hung up the phone without giving me the location. Boy was I livid. It all turned out okay but I sure let him know my displeasure when I saw him in court at the end of the week.
 
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