Close Warren Grove range?

[Mark]

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/new..._sets_news_conference_for_this_afternoon.html

I think some common sense ideas are needed here.
For example in dry weather close the range or no flares allowed!
Course remember when that school got shot up with A-10 bullets on weekend
thankfully.
Potential bad news for New Jersey is Air Force eventually relocates fighter squadrons
elsewhere where States want bombing ranges.
Big loss of revenue to go along with that.
Tough call New Jersey!

Mark
Maryland

Course down here in Maryland we will take them at Pax River water orientated ranges!

 

[mondaro]

I don't think it's a tough call at all, They also shot at a local Middle School last year and there as been numerous accidents reported and not reported. Time to close them up, a tough call New Jersey I don't think so. Also when does it stop when they kill a few thousand people. I know for a fact our governor is NOT happy about it and made the claim that if they shot at that School during the day with students he said to a group of reporters they would have been close in a nano second.

Tony Mondaro
Harrison, NJ

 

[Mark]

Also when does it stop when they kill a few thousand people. Tony Mondaro
Harrison, NJ

Lets not get crazy here.
Reckless driving on the NJ Turnpike kills lots of people but so far not closing that down.
Zero deaths so far from Warren Grove range.
I'd take the range over the Turnpike anyday!

Mark

 

[DJ88]

"Zero deaths so far from Warren Grove range."

Do we have to wait until there IS one to close it? Five homes were totally destroyed in the fire. No loss of life, but those people lost everything they had, many things irreplacable. Other homes were also damaged. It didn't have to happen this time and somebody needs to make sure it never happens again. Too many "mistakes". Shut it down. Let them take their toys and go play somewhere else.

 

[IceInferno]

Lets not get crazy here.
Reckless driving on the NJ Turnpike kills lots of people but so far not closing that down.
Zero deaths so far from Warren Grove range.
I'd take the range over the Turnpike anyday!

Mark

Thats not entirely true...

http://www.njpinebarrens.com/content/view/27/47/

 

[Mark]

Thats not entirely true...

I stand corrected... Close it down.. The Turnpike that is..LOL

Mark

 

[mondaro]

Mark...

I can't speak for Maryland Roads but NJ Turnpike is one of the best IMO.
It's well operated by the hacks that are in place there.

Please don't get me wrong I am a VERY STRONG supporter of the
military but I think safety should come first here.

Ocean, Atlantic and Burlington Counties has had a population explosion over the
past 10 years from people trying the escape the mutants and the malcontents
of Northern New Jersey / New York City and Philly metro areas.

Tony

 

[rusty2]

I live around the area near the fire and still have ash from the fire in my yard. That said I don’t think the range should be closed. Some things are a necessary evil; people in the service need training and experience. In this day and age men and women in the service spend enough time from home. They shouldn't be made to take more by having our NJNG go to another state to train. There should be rules and strict criteria for when and how training is conducted so it can be done without or with as little negative events as possible. Warren Grove has been in operation since the 60's maybe we stop building closer and closer to certain areas as well other bases in NJ like Fort Dix has also caused fires as a result of training. It is what it is an accident. PS I am for closing any toll road....

 

[Tech792]

The fighter jet crash in the 70's was not on range property. It was in Penn State Forest. The story I got was a suicide mission....the pilot committed suicide and purposely crashed into the fire tower. Don't think that classifies as an accident.
I worked this fire for 2 days. And I am in favor of not closing it down. But placing restrictions on high fire danger days.

 

[DJ88]

rusty2 writes: "I live around the area near the fire and still have ash from the fire in my yard."

You're very fotrunate. When the people who lost THEIR homes returned to THEIR property, all that was left was a big pile of ashes.

"On this day and age men and women in the service spend enough time from home"

That's to be expcected when one enters any branch of the armed forces. I was in the Army for three years, 1967 to 1970, and spend all but six months away from home. it comes with the territory.

"There should be rules and strict criteria....."

There are. They just didn't follow them. I saw a member of the NJNG or one of the branches on television, and he said they shouldn't have been conducting those operations on the day of the fire because of the weather conditions. What's to say they won't make the same mistake again. We all know that with any government agency, the left hand usually doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

 

[IceInferno]

The fighter jet crash in the 70's was not on range property. It was in Penn State Forest. The story I got was a suicide mission....the pilot committed suicide and purposely crashed into the fire tower. Don't think that classifies as an accident.
I worked this fire for 2 days. And I am in favor of not closing it down. But placing restrictions on high fire danger days.

I think thats the point...in the article it states he was enroute to warren grove...Obviously he never made it...crashing into Bear Swamp Tower which from what i understand is not that far from this area...

 

[kb2vxa]

"What's to say they won't make the same mistake again?

WHICH mistake? If you really want to know please hand me a pencil and a roll of toilet paper.

In recent memory they haven't crashed any more planes, dropped any more bunker buster bombs or strafed any more schools but this is the second major fire in 8 years. Oh I'm just copying the mail on my lil' ol' radio, "The base commander is unavailable for comment."

 

[Tech792]

3rd major in 8 years