Delaware encryption

[hey]

I’m just wondering what type of a encryption does Delaware use on their radio system

 

[jtwalker]

What specific Delaware system are you referring to? The easy answer would be ... the type of encyption that you won't be able to listen to.

 

[hey]

I’m just curious all what type on both systems

 

[Giddyuptd]

If they do it right, take grants and so on AES256 or higher id imagine.

 

[hey]

I’m just seeing if someone that knew if they were using the DES or AES-256 only two radio systems that Delaware has. Just being noisy

 

[jcardani]

OP-25 and DSDPlus show ALGO 9F which is DES-XL This is the only system I know that uses this also, all others I have seen that used DES are DES-OFB (ALGO 81)

 

[hey]

Now what system were you talking about are you talking about the department of corrections radio system or the public safety radio system

 

[maus92]

Now what system were you talking about are you talking about the department of corrections radio system or the public safety radio system

DSD+ doesn't decode SmartZone, so I imagine he is referring to the DELWIN P25 system.

 

[maus92]

I noticed that while in Rehoboth Beach yesterday, their police department was not encrypted on their main channel. Same with DRBA Police. Perhaps in the Rehoboth example, they have a *lot* of radios to manage...

 

[de784]

I noticed that while in Rehoboth Beach yesterday, their police department was not encrypted on their main channel. Same with DRBA Police. Perhaps in the Rehoboth example, they have a *lot* of radios to manage...

Yes luckily so far they have not gone encrypted, Bethany Beach is , Dewey was in the clear last week

 

[Roach112683]

Yes luckily so far they have not gone encrypted, Bethany Beach is , Dewey was in the clear last week

Rehoboth has 2 encrypted talk channels.

 

[maus92]

Rehoboth has 2 encrypted talk channels.

The tac and data channels have been encrypted for a long time - I really don't care about those as there is some justification for privacy on those channels.

 

[trailhiker73]

So from what I can gather, the following agencies still have dispatch in the clear:

Wilmington; Newark; Milford; Rehoboth Beach; DNREC; Capitol Police

I’ve avoided DSP CMD for each county, so I’m curious if those are strapped talk groups or whether any towns that are dispatched by DSP have their units in the clear.

 

[Roach112683]

So from what I can gather, the following agencies still have dispatch in the clear:

Wilmington; Newark; Milford; Rehoboth Beach; DNREC; Capitol Police

I’ve avoided DSP CMD for each county, so I’m curious if those are strapped talk groups or whether any towns that are dispatched by DSP have their units in the clear.

Depending on County Capitol is fully encrypted. I know Sussex Dispatch is.

A few of the portables and mobiles are clear but Sussex Dispis definitely encrypted.

Dewey is open too. However recently I heard Dewey on IOP 2 so i don't know what that's about.

 

[Roach112683]

So from what I can gather, the following agencies still have dispatch in the clear:

Wilmington; Newark; Milford; Rehoboth Beach; DNREC; Capitol Police

I’ve avoided DSP CMD for each county, so I’m curious if those are strapped talk groups or whether any towns that are dispatched by DSP have their units in the clear.

Some portables/mobiles, at least in Sussex that do suscom are clear.

 

[trailhiker73]

It appears that Milford PD Dispatch (19728) is now encrypted. I noticed it yesterday, but didn't get a chance to sit on that TGID until today.

 

[jcardani]

Sorry I was referring to the Smartnet (Public Safety) system. I am not sure about the P25 one.

In addition , OP25 and DSD+ can display the encryption algorithm information from the digital voice channels for Smartnet and P25 Phase I systems. There is no need to trunk track the system to obtain this info.

To reiterate they use DES-XL (Encryption Algo 9F) on the Smartnet system. This is an old algo and probably what they started with. Most if not all other systems that still use DES use the algorithm 81 which is DES-OFB.

 

[maus92]

Sorry I was referring to the Smartnet (Public Safety) system. I am not sure about the P25 one.

In addition , OP25 and DSD+ can display the encryption algorithm information from the digital voice channels for Smartnet and P25 Phase I systems. There is no need to trunk track the system to obtain this info.

To reiterate they use DES-XL (Encryption Algo 9F) on the Smartnet system. This is an old algo and probably what they started with. Most if not all other systems that still use DES use the algorithm 81 which is DES-OFB.

I didn't know that DSD+ could ID an encryption algorithm type. Nor OP25 for that matter.

 

[de784]

Was monitoring the fire works detail last night in lewes command post was encrypted, fire police had no idea what command post was relaying as they do not have in encryption,, one of the fire cops were relaying information using a cell phone talking to command post. Fire cops were getting upset as they had no idea there was a statement that encryption will be added to there radios by one of fire cops on the radio last night

 

[maus92]

Was monitoring the fire works detail last night in lewes command post was encrypted, fire police had no idea what command post was relaying as they do not have in encryption,, one of the fire cops were relaying information using a cell phone talking to command post. Fire cops were getting upset as they had no idea there was a statement that encryption will be added to there radios by one of fire cops on the radio last night

Encryption fun. Having to rely on cell phones to interoperate? How will that work out in a disaster scenario? They are going to need to institute some non-encrypted Event tgs / Tac tgs. Are the fire company's fire police radios privately owned, or issued by the county?