Denver - Provoice/Encryption coming?

[RodStrong]

You can teach a cop how to type an email, run plates, radar, adjust satellite stereo, gps, and other multi tasking, at the same time all while driving 90 mph down the interstate steering with their knees, but lord help them when it comes to simply pushing the PTT button for a second before talking.

Doesn't matter it it's a flintstones-esqe simple system or the most complex to date, most cops and other users have little or no interest in radios, and will invest minimal energy into using them. This problem will never go away.

 

[utlchris]

There certainly is a perception, not unique to Denver and not without merit, that the media look for stories that "embarrass" government entities. Rule #1 for every agency at every level of government is "Don't make us look bad." Even legitimate, time-tested methods of doing business are subject to intense scrutiny as the media tries to turn every story into the next Watergate, because there's a huge gap sometimes between how something looks and what's really happening. "Perception is everything" is all you hear from management any more.
Contrary to the picture presented by the media, the vast majority of government employees - at least the ones actually doing the job, the ones I can personally vouch for - really do have a work ethic, and try to do a good job under some difficult circumstances. But the media's insistence on portraying these workers as lazy, stupid, and incapable of getting a "real" job brings about this desire to keep any info from the public, again because no one wants to be singled out by a reporter seeking a Pulitzer.

The media is not to blame either, as they will run their stories with or without hearing it on the "air". Also I suspect if/when an agency decides to go Provoice that agency will also provide proper programming to radio's purchased by media. This was the same case prior to the inception of digital scanners. Media was also required to bring in their radios once a year to ensure no modifications were made to the radio itself.

With that said I'm not saying the blame is on anyone. It's technology advancement.... When they put out an update for the BCD396T we all normally have to have the latest and greatest because it's available. We already know that Denver is Provoice capable. This thread started with the information from the DIA system and it's quite possible their radio's/system is not Provoice capable at this time and they are looking to upgrade to the same as Denver's system so they can have the capability to encrypt a few of their talk groups. Were all getting worked up over something that has not even happened yet, nor have we heard there is going to be 100% Provoice.

 

[donc13]

The way I see it the press in this city is pretty tame compared to some parts of the country.

The control aspect was obvious during the planning of the PS system in 1989. I had close contact with 3 press persons at the time back in the Denver Scanner Guide days. No one was amused about this except the city.

It's the long chess match that's obvious. Joe public was locked out from December 20, 1992 - 1998 til the BC245xlt. ESK implemented this year. GRE and Uniden work around it. PV and Crypto are a necessity all of a sudden. Nah no coincidence there nope.

PV was epic fail for patrol on Aurora's simulcast system but it's odd with the current economic mess that there's a boatload of money somewhere for Denver to throw yet more money at M/A.

Stormchaser_35's take is legit as some agencies in his state have bluntly stated the reason why thery are going full crypto.

My neighborhood uses crypto for obvious Ops but patrol stays in the clear. Even with all the ass hattery going on they keep things fairly open in Weld County.

I don't know who you talked to, but back when the EDACS system was going in, the media was given the opportunity to buy radios have have the transmitter program them for the normal dispatch channels.

I know/have known several of the folks in the media....they have always been able to monitor DPD and DFD.

Even "Joe Public" wasn't out on a limb....you just couldn't trunk track, but you could listen.

 

[Thayne]

And now all those radios they bought don't work for the media OR Joe public

 

[scanlist]

I don't know who you talked to, but back when the EDACS system was going in, the media was given the opportunity to buy radios have have the transmitter program them for the normal dispatch channels.

I had connections with 2 print press and one television contact back then. I am well aware of how the final agreements ended with the media and towing companies. $1200 to $1500 per radio was not exactly economical at the time. Relying on someone at "the desk" to pay attention didn't always work and freelancers were SOL as a result.

I know/have known several of the folks in the media....they have always been able to monitor DPD and DFD.

Me too (tm).

Even "Joe Public" wasn't out on a limb....you just couldn't trunk track, but you could listen.

Getting beeped to death by disconnect tones on PS and G.E. Jingle on PW while wearing out the scan button was real fun. MNN eased the pain for a number of scannists locked out during that period.