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Does anyone know if it's true San Joaquin County, Stockton and Stanislaus are going digital for fire. Or is this just a rumor.
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Steve
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Digital In San Joaquin And Stanislaus?
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I'd say rumor for san Joaquin and stan county.
I know stickton fire has a P25 freq but it's not used much if at all.
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I'd say rumor for san Joaquin and stan county.
I know stickton fire has a P25 freq but it's not used much if at all.
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Well in San Joaquin County, Stockton Fire already has one freq that is digital that they switch dispatch to every once in a while. The chief said they had to switch to digital, because the FCC mandated it(!), so it said in a city manager report a couple years ago.
As for the Manteca, Lodi and County, I haven't anything. However if Lodi PD goes digital, then I suspect Lodi FD will too, since PD dispatches Fire. Same thing with Manteca, once Stockton Fire switches to digital, Manetca will too. Stockton Fire dispatches Manteca. I doubt county will switch to digital, at least until the next round of narrow banding. Of course, that is all a W.A.G. (Wild A** Guess) on my part.
Now Law Enforcement, they will eventually go to a UHF trucked digital system, countywide, or so it is planned.
As for the Manteca, Lodi and County, I haven't anything. However if Lodi PD goes digital, then I suspect Lodi FD will too, since PD dispatches Fire. Same thing with Manteca, once Stockton Fire switches to digital, Manetca will too. Stockton Fire dispatches Manteca. I doubt county will switch to digital, at least until the next round of narrow banding. Of course, that is all a W.A.G. (Wild A** Guess) on my part.
Now Law Enforcement, they will eventually go to a UHF trucked digital system, countywide, or so it is planned.
Ok, you have all kinds of information wrong, sorry.
Stockton FD doesn't dispatch Manteca FD. Stockton does their own.
Lodi FD and Lathrop/Manteca FD are on VHF, as is the rest of the county (with the exception of Stockton FD). I doubt they (everyone but Stockton) will go digital because of interoperability issues. Digital Fire is not part of any plan I've heard of or even talked about.
Narrow banding has nothing to do with digital. County has done some narrow banding on their frequencies already, but that's beside the point. Also no plans to go to a UHF digital trunked system countywide for law enforcement either. Or mention of.
Stockton FD doesn't dispatch Manteca FD. Stockton does their own.
Lodi FD and Lathrop/Manteca FD are on VHF, as is the rest of the county (with the exception of Stockton FD). I doubt they (everyone but Stockton) will go digital because of interoperability issues. Digital Fire is not part of any plan I've heard of or even talked about.
Narrow banding has nothing to do with digital. County has done some narrow banding on their frequencies already, but that's beside the point. Also no plans to go to a UHF digital trunked system countywide for law enforcement either. Or mention of.
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Sorry, but you are incorrect. I do stand corrected however on it being LE only, it has changed to all public safety from when I first heard about it. Also I realize narrow banding has nothing to do with digital at this point, but that is how the Stockton Fire Chief at the time sold it to the city council.
1.) Per Manteca Fire itself, Stockton Fire provides dispatching.
2.) Yes, County Fire and Lodi Fire are currently on VHF, but they will not be by the time phase IV of the Public Safety Communication Project is done.
3.) County is requested in their 2010 Adopted Federal Legislative Platform "a $2,858,500 budgetary appropriation to provide funding assistance for the San Joaquin County’s regional Public Safety Communication Project.
4.)To quote the request "The Master Radio Communications Plan will be implemented in stages. Since San Joaquin County geographically spans an area that covers the requirements for all agencies within the
County boundaries, the first phase of the project is to establish communication sites as a building block for the digital radio system infrastructure. Phase II includes the provision and installation of digital radio equipment at existing and new communication sites for countywide coverage. Phase III is the conversion of the infrastructure to 450 mhz digital trunking technology to allow for the migration of other agencies to the system. Phase IV includes the implementation and installation of the subscriber radio units for agencies to join the system. Phase V consists of adding radio channels to allow all of the City of Stockton’s public safety units access to the infrastructure to complete the project."
Links to both the sate and Federal Adopted San Joaquin County Legislative Platforms are here. The federal platform has the most information on the system, on page 30.
So yes, public safety in San Joaquin County is going to a UHF digital trucked system eventually.
1.) Per Manteca Fire itself, Stockton Fire provides dispatching.
2.) Yes, County Fire and Lodi Fire are currently on VHF, but they will not be by the time phase IV of the Public Safety Communication Project is done.
3.) County is requested in their 2010 Adopted Federal Legislative Platform "a $2,858,500 budgetary appropriation to provide funding assistance for the San Joaquin County’s regional Public Safety Communication Project.
4.)To quote the request "The Master Radio Communications Plan will be implemented in stages. Since San Joaquin County geographically spans an area that covers the requirements for all agencies within the
County boundaries, the first phase of the project is to establish communication sites as a building block for the digital radio system infrastructure. Phase II includes the provision and installation of digital radio equipment at existing and new communication sites for countywide coverage. Phase III is the conversion of the infrastructure to 450 mhz digital trunking technology to allow for the migration of other agencies to the system. Phase IV includes the implementation and installation of the subscriber radio units for agencies to join the system. Phase V consists of adding radio channels to allow all of the City of Stockton’s public safety units access to the infrastructure to complete the project."
Links to both the sate and Federal Adopted San Joaquin County Legislative Platforms are here. The federal platform has the most information on the system, on page 30.
So yes, public safety in San Joaquin County is going to a UHF digital trucked system eventually.
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Sorry Bill, I stand corrected on two points. Stockton does dispatch fire for Manteca as well as Lodi. As for the trunked system, this looks new for the 2010 budget, so I guess I'm a few months behind. It's the first I've heard of it.
Personally having direct knowledge on how San Joaquin county operates, I doubt this will ever happen due to lack of money. If it does, it will be many, many YEARS. The Sheriff's Office hasn't even gotten the radios compatable with P25. Their key word is "plan"
Personally having direct knowledge on how San Joaquin county operates, I doubt this will ever happen due to lack of money. If it does, it will be many, many YEARS. The Sheriff's Office hasn't even gotten the radios compatable with P25. Their key word is "plan"
This has been the talk for many years. So much so I wouldn't even bother quoting it anymore.
Other than an agency here and there, there aren't any huge plans on the horizon so those of you with analog radios are fine for now.
One of these days Port of Stockton is supposed to switch over to P25 UHF but that's all I know of.
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Actually Lodi Fire is dispatched by Lodi PD, they took over in the FY 2008-2009, Lodi PD had to buy new CAD software to do so. It makes real interesting listening when an engine gets on scene of a grass fire, and reports a rapid of spread, and dispatch does the read back as rapid rate of SPEED.
Also Lodi PD purchased an Astro P25 UHF repeater back in 2007. They also used the excuse of "the replacement of the current communication system will bring the Police Department into compliance with digital capable equipment required through federal radio standards by 2011 and will allow digital compliance with San Joaquin County's Master Communication Plan, joining other agencies that have recently switched to a digital capable communication infrastructure that will provide interoperability among all local public safety agencies" Link to the agenda item here. So the county master comm plan has been in works for while. It was mentioned in the Stockton Record back when Tracy went digital.
Also Stockton Fire was working a lot of downed trees, power lines and flooding (burst pipes?) this morning, and fire was dispatching E2,E3, and E7 on Channel 5 (digital). Public works was also being dispatched on the same channel, which surprised me, to the same calls by the PW dispatcher. Regular calls were still being dispatched on Channel 1 for FD.
As for it taking years, that is why I put eventually in bold.
Now to add fuel to the fire, back in July, was this little beauty from the City of Modesto, concerning "the sole source procurement for the purchase and installation of Motorola P25 Simulcast Cell, Digital Trunking Public Safety Communication Equipment for the Modesto Police Department and Stanislaus Regional Communication Center, to Motorola Communications, Burlingame, CA, and Delta Wireless, Turlock, CA" as well as this one concerning a grant for the 800mhz trunked radio system from 2009. So Stan County will also EVENTUALLY be on a trunked system, including Fire.
Also Lodi PD purchased an Astro P25 UHF repeater back in 2007. They also used the excuse of "the replacement of the current communication system will bring the Police Department into compliance with digital capable equipment required through federal radio standards by 2011 and will allow digital compliance with San Joaquin County's Master Communication Plan, joining other agencies that have recently switched to a digital capable communication infrastructure that will provide interoperability among all local public safety agencies" Link to the agenda item here. So the county master comm plan has been in works for while. It was mentioned in the Stockton Record back when Tracy went digital.
Also Stockton Fire was working a lot of downed trees, power lines and flooding (burst pipes?) this morning, and fire was dispatching E2,E3, and E7 on Channel 5 (digital). Public works was also being dispatched on the same channel, which surprised me, to the same calls by the PW dispatcher. Regular calls were still being dispatched on Channel 1 for FD.
As for it taking years, that is why I put eventually in bold.
Now to add fuel to the fire, back in July, was this little beauty from the City of Modesto, concerning "the sole source procurement for the purchase and installation of Motorola P25 Simulcast Cell, Digital Trunking Public Safety Communication Equipment for the Modesto Police Department and Stanislaus Regional Communication Center, to Motorola Communications, Burlingame, CA, and Delta Wireless, Turlock, CA" as well as this one concerning a grant for the 800mhz trunked radio system from 2009. So Stan County will also EVENTUALLY be on a trunked system, including Fire.
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Stockton PD going P25 at the latest March, possibly by February.
San Joaquin SO going P25 by end of summer.
Radios are being programmed at this time.
Stockton PD going P25 at the latest March, possibly by February.
San Joaquin SO going P25 by end of summer.
Radios are being programmed at this time.
Ok, Stockton needs to update their website then...
"The Stockton Fire Department Communications Division is a Regional Fire and Emergency Medical Dispatch Center. In addition to the City of Stockton, the center handles emergency dispatch services for the cities of Lodi and Manteca."
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Ok, Stockton needs to update their website then...
Yeah, their website is somewhat out of date. They still show Truck 4, which was shutdown some months ago. They also show the hydrant repair trucks, which were transferred to Municipal Utilities. :roll:
San Joaquin County
Will they stay on the same UHF conventional frequencies and just go P25? Or are there new frequencies on the horizon as well? Thanks.
Note: Good thing the county is broke; I can't imagine what they'd be doing if the county actually had money to spend.
Will they stay on the same UHF conventional frequencies and just go P25? Or are there new frequencies on the horizon as well? Thanks.
Note: Good thing the county is broke; I can't imagine what they'd be doing if the county actually had money to spend.
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I think they are staying the same, but not 100% positive. I'll ask someone.
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I think they are staying the same, but not 100% positive. I'll ask someone.
I honestly think it would be sometime before stanislaus county goes digital. There are alot of budget issues at the moment and I think converting everything is alittle out of the agencies price range at the moment. But im sure eventually they will but not in the near future.
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City of Stockton Voice Radio Digital Migration Project
From a news release put out today by Stockton PD.
City of Stockton Voice Radio Digital Migration Project
Project Description
The City of Stockton will transition from its current analog voice radio system to a digital voice radio system. This primarily involves the Police Department (PD) and Fire Department (FD); however, the radio systems of the Municipal Utilities Department and Public Works Department will also eventually be converted to digital. The City has contracted with Delta Wireless for this project and it is being managed by City Information Technology.
Project Timeline
January 4, 2010: “First Pass” - Programming of all Police radios (no radio downtime); Zone A must be used. Program base stations, radio tower equipment (no downtime); switch to Zone C and operate in digital mode for several days, while still able to revert to analog mode if there are issues.
January 24, 2010: “Second Pass” – Programming of final digital radio channels into all radios. Zones A and C will be identical and operating in digital mode only. Zone B will have various outside agency frequencies for interoperability. SPD channels 1-6 will be the first 6 channel on each zone when complete. Channels 7-15 on each zone will vary.
Frequently Asked Questions
Why are we doing this?
Digital signals produce a higher quality audio than analog and are required for future radio system technological enhancement, such as digital trunking and over-the-air programming. Transitioning of all public safety radio systems to digital within San Joaquin County was adopted as a component of the S.J. County Regional Radio Plan; the end goal being County-wide interoperability. The City has been preparing for this digital migration for over a decade; all necessary radio infrastructure and equipment is already in place. Additionally, the FCC has mandated that many “wideband” frequencies be reduced to narrowband by the end of 2012. The City’s frequencies are included in this mandate. Although “narrow-banding” can be accomplished in analog mode, it makes sound financial and operational sense to switch to digital at the same time as going “narrowband.”
How much is this costing us?
All equipment has already been purchased and installed over the past decade. The only cost associated with this project is the relatively small cost of programming our existing radios. That funding was encumbered in the 07/08 budget (Radio ISF fund). No monies from the current budget year are being expended on this project.
How do we know digital radio will meet our needs as police officers?
Available data from other agencies indicates that digital radio provides better quality audio in the field and is very reliable. The Manteca Police Department has already converted to digital and has had no significant issues. The Stockton PD and FD have conducted extensive testing. Our testing has verified that digital radio will improve the quality of our radio communications in the field, while providing the same level of coverage as our current system.
How can we make this transition will little or no radio downtime for officers in the field?
Our radios have “zones” that we currently do not use. There are toggle switches on the portable radios for 3 zones (A, B, and C). Car radios have a button to scroll through zones as well. During the “first pass” of radio programming, Zone C will be programmed with all PD channels (1-6) in digital format. While this programming is being done, personnel will continue to use the radios as normal (analog) in Zone A. At the completion of the “first pass,” field personnel will simply switch to Zone C and begin using those digital channels. While personnel operate in Zone C, the “second pass” radio programming will be completed. This will convert all PD channels in Zone A over to digital. When the “second pass” programming is complete, each radio will be fully digital. Users should experience no downtime and simply need to understand which zone to operate in during the migration.
How will this affect outside agencies?
Once we begin broadcasting in digital format, only those agencies with digital-capable radios (and our permission) will be able to monitor and transmit over our frequencies. If an agency does not have a digital-capable system we will still be able to communicate over their analog channel, but they will not be able to communicate on our digital channels. Most outside agencies have been aware of our digital migration plans for over a year.
How will this affect those using scanners?
Most scanners will no longer be capable of monitoring our channels. In order for a scanner to access our digital channels, it must be digital-capable and programmed with our unique access code(s). Those access codes will not normally be made available to members of the general public.
From a news release put out today by Stockton PD.
City of Stockton Voice Radio Digital Migration Project
Project Description
The City of Stockton will transition from its current analog voice radio system to a digital voice radio system. This primarily involves the Police Department (PD) and Fire Department (FD); however, the radio systems of the Municipal Utilities Department and Public Works Department will also eventually be converted to digital. The City has contracted with Delta Wireless for this project and it is being managed by City Information Technology.
Project Timeline
January 4, 2010: “First Pass” - Programming of all Police radios (no radio downtime); Zone A must be used. Program base stations, radio tower equipment (no downtime); switch to Zone C and operate in digital mode for several days, while still able to revert to analog mode if there are issues.
January 24, 2010: “Second Pass” – Programming of final digital radio channels into all radios. Zones A and C will be identical and operating in digital mode only. Zone B will have various outside agency frequencies for interoperability. SPD channels 1-6 will be the first 6 channel on each zone when complete. Channels 7-15 on each zone will vary.
Frequently Asked Questions
Why are we doing this?
Digital signals produce a higher quality audio than analog and are required for future radio system technological enhancement, such as digital trunking and over-the-air programming. Transitioning of all public safety radio systems to digital within San Joaquin County was adopted as a component of the S.J. County Regional Radio Plan; the end goal being County-wide interoperability. The City has been preparing for this digital migration for over a decade; all necessary radio infrastructure and equipment is already in place. Additionally, the FCC has mandated that many “wideband” frequencies be reduced to narrowband by the end of 2012. The City’s frequencies are included in this mandate. Although “narrow-banding” can be accomplished in analog mode, it makes sound financial and operational sense to switch to digital at the same time as going “narrowband.”
How much is this costing us?
All equipment has already been purchased and installed over the past decade. The only cost associated with this project is the relatively small cost of programming our existing radios. That funding was encumbered in the 07/08 budget (Radio ISF fund). No monies from the current budget year are being expended on this project.
How do we know digital radio will meet our needs as police officers?
Available data from other agencies indicates that digital radio provides better quality audio in the field and is very reliable. The Manteca Police Department has already converted to digital and has had no significant issues. The Stockton PD and FD have conducted extensive testing. Our testing has verified that digital radio will improve the quality of our radio communications in the field, while providing the same level of coverage as our current system.
How can we make this transition will little or no radio downtime for officers in the field?
Our radios have “zones” that we currently do not use. There are toggle switches on the portable radios for 3 zones (A, B, and C). Car radios have a button to scroll through zones as well. During the “first pass” of radio programming, Zone C will be programmed with all PD channels (1-6) in digital format. While this programming is being done, personnel will continue to use the radios as normal (analog) in Zone A. At the completion of the “first pass,” field personnel will simply switch to Zone C and begin using those digital channels. While personnel operate in Zone C, the “second pass” radio programming will be completed. This will convert all PD channels in Zone A over to digital. When the “second pass” programming is complete, each radio will be fully digital. Users should experience no downtime and simply need to understand which zone to operate in during the migration.
How will this affect outside agencies?
Once we begin broadcasting in digital format, only those agencies with digital-capable radios (and our permission) will be able to monitor and transmit over our frequencies. If an agency does not have a digital-capable system we will still be able to communicate over their analog channel, but they will not be able to communicate on our digital channels. Most outside agencies have been aware of our digital migration plans for over a year.
How will this affect those using scanners?
Most scanners will no longer be capable of monitoring our channels. In order for a scanner to access our digital channels, it must be digital-capable and programmed with our unique access code(s). Those access codes will not normally be made available to members of the general public.
If you say so..... :roll:
Hopefully they got grants for the funding because they have enough staffing problems as it is.
Cool. Sounds like this is moving along.
When I viewed the programming in my radio which was recently programmed, I didn't notice any changes to Zone C.
Sounds like from the release, they will be using encryption, which the Sheriffs office also plans to use when their radios are done during summer.
When I viewed the programming in my radio which was recently programmed, I didn't notice any changes to Zone C.
Sounds like from the release, they will be using encryption, which the Sheriffs office also plans to use when their radios are done during summer.
Is that like saying you can't listen to Podunk PD if you don't know their PL tone? For scannerists and other listeners, NACs, like PL (CTCSS) tones are often more of a hindrance than a help. If you have tone capabilities in your scanner but put in the wrong code, you won't hear them. If you turn off the tone you'll hear 'em all.
The tones/codes tend to filter stuff OUT as opposed to allowing stuff IN. But most casual users are 180° upside-down in their understanding of it.
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