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When I worked in a Comm Center, we used CLETS and PIN ... and communicated via keyboard.

BOLs came out via teletype. I'm sure it's changed since then.

And the POTS.
 

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Back in the 70s, Riverside County Sheriff's Office, CA shared their one frequency with several other agencies. Dispatchers would push the console switch up to transmit via landline over the RSO channel. Pushing the switch down put you on a landline intercom to the RSO dispatcher. "Station two to station one on down switch".
 

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Merced County's ECCs has the ability to communicate over the county trunked system. No idea of what the IDs are as the seem to love using the phones.
 

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Nevada County Fire has a low band repeater system on three peaks that is used as a backup for interagency contact. CAL FIRE Grass Valley manages it (as the Nevada County Fire command center), and it connects NCSO, GVPD (before Nevada Co Law consolidated), and Yuba Co SO. There was talk a couple of years ago about expanding it by adding it to Marysville PD and Placer SO's consoles, but AFAIK that never happened. The system in use is the old Nevada County Fire low-band dispatch net. It doesn't get used as much as it used to for routine traffic, but we've activated it 3 times in the last 5 years for major incidents, and it still works well.

Also, it's been a while, but:

In the 90's, CLERS Government Peak (155.910) was used by Kern SO and the eastern Mojave agencies (SBSD Barstow, SBSD Trona, Ridgecrest PD, Barstow CHP, FEDCOM out of San Bernardino for BLM, etc) for Point-to-Point and BOLO's for that geographic region. With all the changes since then, I don't know if that is still an active net or not.
 
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I work for two dispatch centers in Eastern Connecticut. My full time job is for a commercial ambulance company. Most communications between us and dispatchers at other centers is via telephone. We do have a "med-net" that is used on occasion.

My part-time job is at a regional center. At that center we use a combination of phone and the med-net to communicate with other regional centers. The med-net is used more there. We also have an intercom set up with the new consolidated state police center. I also have the capability to communicate with a local police department directly on their channel as well. This was done to facilitate faster information transfer in those time where it is needed. We can talk to the officers directly and them us.
 

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Nevada County Fire has a low band repeater system on three peaks that is used as a backup for interagency contact. CAL FIRE Grass Valley manages it (as the Nevada County Fire command center), and it connects NCSO, GVPD (before Nevada Co Law consolidated), and Yuba Co SO. There was talk a couple of years ago about expanding it by adding it to Marysville PD and Placer SO's consoles, but AFAIK that never happened. The system in use is the old Nevada County Fire low-band dispatch net. It doesn't get used as much as it used to for routine traffic, but we've activated it 3 times in the last 5 years for major incidents, and it still works well.
Is that the 46.16/.22/.26./.28/.46 (?) freq group that were used in the 70s-80s before most of the local fire districts and VFDs started consolidating about 1990? Great coverage for mobiles especially considering the terrain, and I don't recall that back then any of them had repeaters.

NCSO did most of the dispatching off of Banner, but a few times they had radio problems and we were able to handle it from GVPD. IIRC though, we had only the 46.16 dispatch frequency in our "console," such as it was..
 

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Is that the 46.16/.22/.26./.28/.46 (?) freq group that were used in the 70s-80s before most of the local fire districts and VFDs started consolidating about 1990? Great coverage for mobiles especially considering the terrain, and I don't recall that back then any of them had repeaters.

NCSO did most of the dispatching off of Banner, but a few times they had radio problems and we were able to handle it from GVPD. IIRC though, we had only the 46.16 dispatch frequency in our "console," such as it was..

Hi Harry! Yeah, we have 46.16R / 46.46T as a repeater pair, now with repeaters on Oregon, Wolf, and Banner. Very good coverage around the county. I think low-band is VERY underrated...I like it very much when it is used within its operating parameters. I'm not sure what ever happened to the other low-band freqs...we don't use them.
 

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The State of Wisconsin has a VHF simplex frequency called "Point to Point". All counties and PSAP's are supposed to have a radio on this channel for dispatch to dispatch communications. 155.37 146.2 PL statewide.
 

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The State of Wisconsin has a VHF simplex frequency called "Point to Point". All counties and PSAP's are supposed to have a radio on this channel for dispatch to dispatch communications. 155.37 146.2 PL statewide.

Western Kansas has something just like this, using the same frequency. They call it "Intercity" or "Interop". I'm not sure how much it is used, but each dispatch center is supposed to have it in the console.
 

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We use pots here nothing fancy using radios from the '50's


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Point-to-Point in Santa Clara Co.

They currently have three low band pairs, one for police, one for Fire and one for LG EOC communications. See licenses. How the new 700 MHz system will effect that, I do not know.

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The abbreviation monster reared its ugly head again! I'm glad you explained that Scotty as I just disregarded the entire message rather than try to understand yet another abbreviation in a world where abbreviations seem to be as numerous as people on the earth and increasing faster than its population growth rate. Try reading the database if you doubt the abbreviation monster is out of control. Its almost as though God wants to stop us from building the tower of Babylon again.

I will step off the soapbox and disappear into my corner again.

And also, WADRIDITBRH! IFYWTKWTMJAM.
 
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Lol Fred, i use to work for GTE for a year, so i am pretty savvy with dial tone acronyms. We live in a world of texting now so shorthand is the norm. FWIW (for what its worth)lol.
 

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Lol Fred, i use to work for GTE for a year, so i am pretty savvy with dial tone acronyms. We live in a world of texting now so shorthand is the norm. FWIW (for what its worth)lol.

Shorthand is a term many people may not know the source of. Before the advent of tape recorders and dictaphones secretaries would use shorthand to record what someone wanted to be typed without slowing down the person drafting the letter, memo or whatever. Shorthand required some training, both in school and on the job. Court recorders use a technique that is loosely similar. Both of these "languages" have a set correlation between words and symbols and other abbreviations. The trouble with the increase in the use of abbreviations now is there isn't any one source of what they mean. As such they are a barrier to efficient and understandable communication, unless they are widely known. The trouble is, in many cases, they aren't all that widely known.

Each profession or field of endeavor has lingo. Effective communicators never use lingo that the general population is not familiar with. I could use a lot of lingo on this site as a result of my education, career and experience as a result of being a forester, wildland firefighter, forest protection officer, recreation manager and Forest Service employee. I don't, because I want to convey ideas, not muddy waters.

It seems like a lot of people use "trendy" phrases to express themselves. A Subaru can't be a Subaru, it has to be a "Sue-be." Here is some trendy ski area talk: "I'm really jelly about the pow that you are going to get tonight" Hint, there is some snow predicted for the Sierra tonight. If that doesn't help then figure it out yourself, why should I have to explain it? Oh, given that snow is predicted I hope the ski areas have calibrated all their RPD's. If they don't their bull wheels might get some dam. They better get their burritos packed because it might be dust over crust. Then there is the increase in the COF at the ice rink that snow brings.

By the way the 1000 hour looks scary for January. Wow, the OT later this year might be really rad. Given the DBH of the understory and the overstory crown density the fines are going to be flashy, especially on the sun aspect, so wow the ladder is going to explode. Of course that depends on the LCR. Oh well, they decided to cut the Type III's this year and ART is going up so we were going to score the big ones anyway. Maybe the action in R3 will continue into R5's season and we are going to rake it in. Very few ABC's this year, G's are going to be the small IA's we try to pick up. We might even have to pull in R8 and R9 resources and they way they talk there's going to be some real confusion on the HT's. Now I will suspend the sarcasm here, believe it or not the 1000 hour could determine what and how much you hear on your scanner later this year and so what I'm saying rather unclearly is important. If the current drought continues the 1000 hour will have huge impacts for many areas of the state and country.

I don't have time to look up all the abbreviations and professional lingo I come across. I just disregard the message, post or article I'm reading. I figure if someone doesn't take the time to express themselves so everyone can understand, I don't have time to make an attempt to decipher it.

I was not kidding either when I mentioned the database. Take a look at the administrative trunked radio system for either L.A. County or L.A. City and find the talkgroups that have a tag of something similar to OSCC2 followed by the description where you are once again treated with "OSCC2" even though there is ample space for an explanation of what the talkgroup is used for.

WADRINTTBRH*** I'm just trying to make a point about communications.
 
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*** WADRINTTBRH = with all due respect I'm not trying to be rude here.

WADRIDITBRH! = with all due respect I don't intend to be rude here!

IYWTKWTMJAM = if you want to know what I mean just ask me.
 
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In the 70's when I lived in Flagstaff there was a commonly licensed VHF Low frequency that was used for a primary dispatch frequency in some locations, an interagency common in others and for a point to point frequency for many agencies. The frequency was 39.180 MHz. Coconino County used it for their county wide dispatch frequency and had 39.220 MHz for dispatching in the areas near Flagstaff. Even though it was a dispatch frequency Coconino County used it as a point to point. I now remember clearly hearing "776 Sedona, 348 Flagstaff; Sedona, Flagstaff."

It reminds me of some old movies, most of them depicting the south, where every rural county and small town seemed to be on the same low band frequency. Some of the movies had scenes where "dispatchers" would sit snoozing during graveyard shift and had to play checkers with other "dispatchers" to stay awake while using this universally common single law enforcement frequency to communicate their moves. I guess they didn't want to use the phone for fear that "Eunice" or "Edna," the town's phone operator, would tell sheriff "Bobby" or "Franklin Clem" what they did all night. The phone operators that worked at night, if they did, would listen to calls on graveyard shift to keep themselves awake.

Don't think it didn't happen either. When I worked graveyard shifts at a large hotel in L.A. and things were unusually slow we used to call operators in small towns to chat. There was a number that could be used, along with the area code, to speak directly with the operator of each local exchange (the three number part of phone numbers for those whose age prevents them from knowing what an "exchange" is). There weren't any long distance charges when we used this special number. We did have the benefit of area codes by then, otherwise we couldn't have done this as the precursor to area codes was to dial zero and ask for the long distance operator. They probably would not have looked kindly on making a few calls a night to places like Wallace, Idaho or similar. We used to like calling places like Three Rivers and Cedarville, California and ask them about their volunteer fire department picnics and what their 4th of July parades were like. We used to flirt with the female operators, and most of them were, when they sounded young. It wasn't that quiet very often, but it was actually very interesting calling small towns around the country at 0200. Years later, I visited many of the places we had called.

So as far fetched as it might seem that dispatchers would use a point to point and mobile radio frequency to play checkers, I think there was some reality to it.

Another stereotype I've seen presented is when lookouts would talk to each other late at night when National Park or National Forest dispatch offices would be closed. I thought it just a stereotype until I heard this late one night night when I lived at a ranger station housing compound in New Mexico. On a tactical frequency assigned to the Cibola NF only, I overheard "rook to queen bishop 4." The following night I heard two female lookouts talking about how some creepy guy had asked one of them at the 4th of July parade to the dance that night. Yep, the method of point to point communications is interesting, but the traffic itself can be even more interesting!
 
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In the 1970's when i lived near Marysville,Ca CLERS-2 on Wolf Mtn was very active with
Butte,Colusa,El Dorado,Glenn,Nevada,Placer,Plumas,Sierra,Sutter,Tehama,Yolo,Yuba Co's
Chico-CHP & Sac-CHP. Also Marysville,Yuba City,Live Oak PD's (I may have left an agency out,its been a while).
The CLERS-3 Repeater on brockway summit is operational but not a peep out of except when techs are messing with it.

Frequency Input License Type Tone Description Site
155.0700 159.0300 KMH624 RM 110.9 CLERS-2 Wolf Mtn
154.7100 155.6700 KYD955 RM 110.9 CLERS-3 Brockway Summit
 

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Lol Fred, i use to work for GTE for a year, so i am pretty savvy with dial tone acronyms. We live in a world of texting now so shorthand is the norm. FWIW (for what its worth)lol.

What is appropriate for texting using two thumbs on a small keyboard is not appropriate for writing using a full sized key board where the speed is much higher and more efficient. It takes less than a second to capitalize "i" when referring to oneself and nearly the same amount of time typing "if remember correctly" as IIRC. Of course that all depends on your typing speed, which depends on practice, something one gains more of when they write in English. Some text type writing I see on this site is done by individuals that don't want to hit the keyboard buttons for punctuation, including periods at the ends of their poorly constructed sentences. Without periods at the ends of sentences and none capitalized first words in their intended next sentence it is very difficult to determine where one ends and the other begins. Combine that with the poorly constructed sentences and distinguishing what they are saying is sometimes a near impossibility.

When I first read "POTS" my first thoughts were, one something to do with archaeology as I was involved in archaeological site monitoring and protection and two, a medical symptom where a person's pulse increases quickly and dramatically when their position changes from horizontal to vertically. In that context each letter of the abbreviation corresponds with a word, but I've forgotten the three words. That does not matter as long as all the people involved in the communication have the same level of training. It would be inappropriate for me to use the term in a post here if describing the details of an incident I responded to as an EMT.

Then there are the misspellings. Why don't people install the spell check feature that will help flag and correct improperly spelled words on all website and forum communications?

I'm finding that within the last 3-4 years I have to work extraordinarily hard to understand or have to give up trying to read about 5-10% of all the posts on this site. Add in the abbreviations that don't have clear cut definitions and I'm skipping about 1 of 10, to 1 of 8, posts on this and other forums I follow regularly. Of greater concern is how people even get jobs if they cannot communicate correctly in writing.

It is not as if I don't make errors myself as approximately 10-15% of my posts have to be submitted without a close proof read when I have to walk away from the computer to do something else. I hit "submit" quickly, intending to come back and proof read and correct errors. Then the situation that pulled me from the computer that I thought would take 10 minutes takes 90, followed by a few more. By the time I get back to the computer the time limit on edits has expired and a bunch of common errors and clumsy sentence structure has to remain. Common errors include using there, their and they're in the wrong way. Another is the incorrect use of to, too and two.

Finally, I like this example of the difference punctuation makes:

A professor wrote the following sentence on the board and asked his class to punctuate it:
Woman without her man is nothing.

Half of the class punctuated the sentence in the following way:
Woman: without her, man is nothing.

The other half of the class responded with the following:
Woman, without her man, is nothing.

It's clear, from this example, that punctuation is very important indeed!
 
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