Douglas county fire dispatch question

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MountainMoose

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Wondering why on the DTRS radio system am I hearing or seeing a simulcast of Douglas county fire dispatch come up and not TG1053?
I don't believe I've ever heard the actual DTRS TG but only the simulcast 151.1150? I have seen and heard ops TG's come up but never the dispatch TG.
 

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Wondering why on the DTRS radio system am I hearing or seeing a simulcast of Douglas county fire dispatch come up and not TG1053?
I don't believe I've ever heard the actual DTRS TG but only the simulcast 151.1150? I have seen and heard ops TG's come up but never the dispatch TG.
 

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What sites do you have programmed? Are you able to receive other talkgroups?

You could potentially be running into an affiliation issue if you do not have the right sites programmed. If you check out the Douglas County (CO) wiki page, you will see a list of primary sites that you should monitor along with some alternate sites if you are not able to receive the primary sites keeping in mind that the alternate sites might not carry Douglas County full time.
 
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What sites do you have programmed? Are you able to receive other talkgroups?

You could potentially be running into an affiliation issue if you do not have the right sites programmed. If you check out the Douglas County (CO) wiki page, you will see a list of primary sites that you should monitor along with some alternate sites if you are not able to receive the primary sites keeping in mind that the alternate sites might not carry have Douglas County full time.
scanning the whole system. bcd436hp All I'm hearing for Douglas county fire is the simulcast dispatch. As far as I can see its scanning all the sites. I get everything when I scan the full state DTRS. Just strange that it seems to go straight to the simulcast dispatch every time.
 

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I can receive TG's yes. I am scanning the DTRS. (system held) Douglas county. Its showing scanning all the sites within the group. (Silver heights, Franktown, Lookout, etc
Like I said. I have never heard a Douglas county fire dispatch on TG 1053. Only the Simulcast.
 

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So, I caught a dispatch and follow up on said TG 1053. It's very broken comms though.
I'm still learning these systems and their workings, so maybe that's the way this system sounds?
Must be a quiet so far for DCF dispatch. I'm watching the Pulse Point app as well for Castle Rock fire to make sure I hear whatever the CAD is showing on the app.
 

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A few things are noteworthy.

Roughly where are you located within the county and what site were you holding onto for the test? The system should sound similar or better than what you hear on the VHF patch as it is just rebroadcasting the audio exactly as it was received by the system. Something you can do is to hold onto TG 1053 only and let it continue to cycle through sites to figure out which site works out best for you. If you were trying to do a site hold on Douglas County North Simulcast, Douglas County South Simulcast, Silver Heights (absorbed by Douglas County North Simulcast), or West Creek (adsorbed by Douglas County South Simulcast), then the broken audio could be a sign of simulcast distortion. That is unfortunate as this is a known limitation of the BCD436HP, however you are free to try one of the many suggestions on the linked page. You might potentially have greater success using non-simulcast sites like Smoky Hill, Conifer Mountain, Franktown, and/or Silo to try to monitor TG 1053 as they usually have superior decode performance over a simulcast site.

You will probably want to update your scanner's database using a computer when you get a chance. It sounds like your scanner has a very old version of the database (pre-2016) as Silver Heights has not been a listed site in the database for years. Some things have changed over the years so you might have old site data with old control channels.

It sounds like you are using location based scanning which could mean that the scanner is trying to check too many sites. The Denver Metro area can be great for monitoring a wide range of talkgroups if you know exactly what you are doing, but it can also be challenging to focus in on a specific area if you are new. You can usually receive a lot of sites from very far away, but that is a problem when only a few specific sites nearby has the talkgroups you want to listen to locally. If you use the Set Your Location feature, you will want to make sure your range is set to 0.0 miles to minimize the number of sites your scanner is trying to check. The scanner will only stop on that talkgroup if the specific site it is currently checking has that talkgroup on it and it can take up to a second for it to check each individual site. If the site does not have that talkgroup, it will remain silent as it checks all the sites it can receive, then it will check your conventional frequencies before returning to the system to check it from the beginning. If a majority of the sites being scanned does not carry TG 1053, then that could be why it seems like you only ever hear it on the VHF patch frequency since it has a higher chance of becoming active while your scanner was idly checking other sites.

You may want to considering learning more about programming your own Favorites Lists and Quick Keys using software as it will allow you to have great selectivity over things to monitor. You can assign Quick Keys to Departments and Sites which will let you choose exactly what you want to monitor and which sites you use to monitor.
 
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A few things are noteworthy.

Roughly where are you located within the county and what site were you holding onto for the test? The system should sound similar or better than what you hear on the VHF patch as it is just rebroadcasting the audio exactly as it was received by the system. Something you can do is to hold onto TG 1053 only and let it continue to cycle through sites to figure out which site works out best for you. If you were trying to do a site hold on Douglas County North Simulcast, Douglas County South Simulcast, Silver Heights (absorbed by Douglas County North Simulcast), or West Creek (adsorbed by Douglas County South Simulcast), then the broken audio could be a sign of simulcast distortion. That is unfortunate as this is a known limitation of the BCD436HP, however you are free to try one of the many suggestions on the linked page. You might potentially have greater success using non-simulcast sites like Smoky Hill, Conifer Mountain, Franktown, and/or Silo to try to monitor TG 1053 as they usually have superior decode performance over a simulcast site.

You will probably want to update your scanner's database using a computer when you get a chance. It sounds like your scanner has a very old version of the database (pre-2016) as Silver Heights has not been a listed site in the database for years. Some things have changed over the years so you might have old site data with old control channels.

It sounds like you are using location based scanning which could mean that the scanner is trying to check too many sites. The Denver Metro area can be great for monitoring a wide range of talkgroups if you know exactly what you are doing, but it can also be challenging to focus in on a specific area if you are new. You can usually receive a lot of sites from very far away, but that is a problem when only a few specific sites nearby has the talkgroups you want to listen to locally. If you use the Set Your Location feature, you will want to make sure your range is set to 0.0 miles to minimize the number of sites your scanner is trying to check. The scanner will only stop on that talkgroup if the specific site it is currently checking has that talkgroup on it and it can take up to a second for it to check each individual site. If the site does not have that talkgroup, it will remain silent as it checks all the sites it can receive, then it will check your conventional frequencies before returning to the system to check it from the beginning. If a majority of the sites being scanned does not carry TG 1053, then that could be why it seems like you only ever hear it on the VHF patch frequency since it has a higher chance of becoming active while your scanner was idly checking other sites.

You may want to considering learning more about programming your own Favorites Lists and Quick Keys using software as it will allow you to have great selectivity over things to monitor. You can assign Quick Keys to Departments and Sites which will let you choose exactly what you want to monitor and which sites you use to monitor.
Thanks for all the info. Greatly appreciated. So, a few things, I am using the sentinel software for programming. I update usually daily.
So since I have posted that originally, it seems as if the TG is much clearer. Wondering if maybe just an issue that day? heard it multiple times yesterday and last night for dispatches and again this morning. All clear. Was also thinking about just "avoiding" the VHF patch as an option? Locking it out. I am scanning multiple sites, but do know how to turn on and off sites and program only one site if needed. This scanner IS new to me yet scanning and the whole hobby is not. I'm learning and picking up this particular scanners workings more and more daily. As for the Silver heights comment I picked that up from somewhere in the wiki on Douglas county or the state DTRS? not sure as I have been reading through numerous pages here recently. Still figuring out how many of these digital trunked systems sound and the ins and outs of daily scanning them/listening to them and learning their characteristics. I have never listened to a digital system with a scanner, so these systems are all new to me in general. I was just hoping to get some insight on why that TG may have been clipped vs the VHF patch TG/freq. and that is just what everyone gave. I truly appreciate it. i appreciate your help and knowledge,

Looking forward to being involved in these groups and posts/threads.
Happy holidays
Mike
 
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