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APX EEPROM wear

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Does anyone know roughly how many read/write cycles APXs can take before its eeprom starts to fail?

Or has anyone actually "break" an APX's (or XTS) eeprom by constantly programming/wiping/programming the radio?

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I suspect it would take a great many writes of a codeplug to bother an APX. I've got a 12 year old 7000 that has nearly 50 firmware upgrade writes and conservatively 500 codeplug writes on it over those years (mainly a guinea pig radio).

What I'd be more concerned with would be having the Instant Recall enabled. That feature has to put a much greater toll on the chip.

All of that being said, the APX uses modern flash memory (eMMC) vs what most think of as a traditional EEPROM chip. The exact type and capacity depends on the generation and radio model. The 7000 has 64 MB flash memory (coupled with 32 MB of SDRAM), while the 8000 has either 2 GB or 4 GB of flash memory (coupled with 128 MB of SDRAM). A bit of semantics, but nonetheless.

Most traditional EEPROM chips could endure around 1 million writes before degrading, whereas modern flash chips are a bit less resilient, with less robust implementations beginning to show degradation after just 10,000 or so writes.

Still, in the context of programming an APX, that's a hell of a lot of codeplug writes before you'd have to worry about it. But that Instant Recall feature...well....
 

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I suspect it would take a great many writes of a codeplug to bother an APX. I've got a 12 year old 7000 that has nearly 50 firmware upgrade writes and conservatively 500 codeplug writes on it over those years (mainly a guinea pig radio).

What I'd be more concerned with would be having the Instant Recall enabled. That feature has to put a much greater toll on the chip.
It's been discussed before that the IRR feature uses static RAM as it's cleared when the radio is power cycled, only if one saves a particular voice file does it get written to EEPROM storage. I've been using IRR since the feature was added years ago in whatever firmware (R18/19?) on APX7500s made in 2016 that say powered on 24/7 receiving gas bag ham traffic and have yet to have one glitch and show signs of EEPROM rot the way XTS/XTLs do.
 

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STX...memories. Could the write counter be reset? Not that it matters these days....
Labtool wouldn't let you, but interestingly replacement boards showed 60 something thousand writes already, new radios showed 1 or 2. I loved taking a junker Privacy Plus STX and for $169 turning it into a GPL 2.0 STX 821.
 
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