Frisco 800Mhz P25 TRS coming online

[VictorXray]

Looks like the new City of Frisco 800Mhz digital P25 trunked radio system is being brought online. Control channel heard on 856.6125 for those of you who want to start monitoring for activity.

I scanned for this system just last month & didn't hear anything, so this CC must of just come online within the past few weeks. Thanks to redhelmet13 for catching it and emailing me the info.

 

[Brentorious]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll start listening for activity.

 

[VictorXray]

Update: The control channel this afternoon is 858.6125, so it's rotating and not just a single test channel. No voice activity heard yet but I'm not close enough to maintain a good lock on the system.

 

[mbstone99]

Frisco

Update: The control channel this afternoon is 858.6125, so it's rotating and not just a single test channel. No voice activity heard yet but I'm not close enough to maintain a good lock on the system.

Oh shoot.. I will have to get trunker up and running and see if I get any activity.

Matt

 

[VictorXray]

I assume you mean UniTrunker. I don't think the regular Trunker program reliably decodes 9600bps P25, even with a 4-level slicer.

 

[mbstone99]

Frisco

I assume you mean UniTrunker. I don't think the regular Trunker program reliably decodes 9600bps P25, even with a 4-level slicer.

Ack you are right.. I totally forgot Trunker doesn't do 9600 p25. So far this is what has shown up since running Unitrunker since last night

Frequencies
856.6125 CC (Channel 129)
857.6125 Voice (Channel 209)
858.1875 Voice (Channel 255)
858.6125 CC (Channel 289)

Talkgroups
3 Unknown
501 Unknown
502 Unknown

Radio ID's
201 (Used TG 501)
202 (Used TG 501)

Matt

 

[bownasterm]

Why is frisco going to apco 25? How long do you think the transition will take?

 

[mbstone99]

Frisco

Ack you are right.. I totally forgot Trunker doesn't do 9600 p25. So far this is what has shown up since running Unitrunker since last night

Frequencies
856.6125 CC (Channel 129)
857.6125 Voice (Channel 209)
858.1875 Voice (Channel 255)
858.6125 CC (Channel 289)

Talkgroups
3 Unknown
501 Unknown
502 Unknown

Radio ID's
201 (Used TG 501)
202 (Used TG 501)

Matt

Another TG that was active yesterday is 505.

Matt

 

[bownasterm]

Hmmm i wonder what frisco will do with all their motorola radios they have now when the new system comes online....probably have to give them back to plano LOL

 

[VictorXray]

Actually, Frisco Public Safety is using a mixture of EFJ (51SL and 5100) and Motorola (XTL, XTS2500) all of which are P25-9600 compatible, so they can reuse everything.

They wouldn't give Plano old radios anyway since Frisco is part-owner of the Plano system (they don't pay rent like Parker, Murphy, PISD, and the other smaller agencies). Obviously, they won't be part-owners for much longer.

 

[bownasterm]

I see, i did not know that they were owners at all....i thought plano owned the whole system.

Is allen also a part owner?

 

[VictorXray]

Yes, Allen has part ownership as well. I forgot how it is divided between the 3 cities, but I think Plano's ownership (controlling interest) is the largest since they are solely responsible for the system management and administration.

 

[Steve1020]

Plano / Frisco TRS

Yes, Allen has part ownership as well. I forgot how it is divided between the 3 cities, but I think Plano's ownership (controlling interest) is the largest since they are solely responsible for the system management and administration.

Not sure where you got your information, but the City of Plano owns everything. All others cities that utilize the Plano TRS pay a per radio fee which covers tuneups and upkeep monthly. (they are making $$$)
The Plano Radio shop takes care of all the programming and maintenance. Plano also shares a tower on Dozier road in Carrollton, on the far west side of Plano with the city of Carrollton TRS.

Frisco may have bought their own radios, but still rent's analog MTS and MCS 2000's radios from Plano. They are mostly waiting on the remaining cities to upgrade to P25 radios, and as soon as that is completed they will then determine if they will be required to reband, and at that time reband with Apco 25 or stay at the same frequencies and go Apco 25. Everything is in place, they just have to wait on the other cities to catch up.

Frisco was getting too big radio traffic wise for Plano' system. Once that they can go on to their system, things should smooth out considerably.

 

[VictorXray]

Not sure where you get your information either. I agree that Plano maintains the entire system and collects revenue from renters, but I've seen the paperwork that shows the shared ownership between the Cities. You can also follow the revenue trail and see all 3 share the income generated from the renters fees.

Frisco is not renting anything from Plano today radio-wise. Also, from what I was told, Frisco is not inviting anyone else onto their system. So I don't know what "remaining" cities you're referring to but feel free to elaborate if you've heard differently.

I've also heard something about October being the change over date.

 

[Russell]

When Allen and Frisco joined the Plano system, Allen had licenses for five 800mhz frequencies and Frisco provided a tower location. Both citiies entered into an agreement with Plano to add the Allen freqs and the Frisco tower to the Plano system to provide wider coverage for all three cities and Plano would maintain the expanded system. I am in agreement with VX that Allen and Frisco are part owners of the system as that was basis of the agreement with everbody bringing something of value to the table.

Russell

 

[Steve1020]

Geez...

When Allen and Frisco joined the Plano system, Allen had licenses for five 800mhz frequencies and Frisco provided a tower location. Both citiies entered into an agreement with Plano to add the Allen freqs and the Frisco tower to the Plano system to provide wider coverage for all three cities and Plano would maintain the expanded system. I am in agreement with VX that Allen and Frisco are part owners of the system as that was basis of the agreement with everbody bringing something of value to the table.

Russell

Allen moved from VHF 155.565 some 20+ years ago to the Plano TRS. Allen had nothing but VHF equipment and Plano was UHF. How do I know? I was there programming and repairing radios then and still doing it today. I was there when we brought up the Plano TRS at City Hall and at the Service Center. I suppose you were still running around in diapers...
Go ahead and talk all what you hear. There is a difference between truth and fiction.
This board is good for for a frequency database lookup but the forum and the members think they all all the talk. I actually enjoy reading the mis-information you guys are broadcasting out to everyone. Thats why I try to stay away from the forums.

Have fun and grow up.

 

[Russell]

Allen moved from VHF 155.565 some 20+ years ago to the Plano TRS. Allen had nothing but VHF equipment and Plano was UHF. How do I know? I was there programming and repairing radios then and still doing it today. I was there when we brought up the Plano TRS at City Hall and at the Service Center. I suppose you were still running around in diapers...
Go ahead and talk all what you hear. There is a difference between truth and fiction.
This board is good for for a frequency database lookup but the forum and the members think they all all the talk. I actually enjoy reading the mis-information you guys are broadcasting out to everyone. Thats why I try to stay away from the forums.

Have fun and grow up.

Allen moved from VHF to McKinney's system in the mid 90s. After a few years of that and lousy signals they obtained five 800mhz channels with the intention of building out their own system. Frisco expressed interest in joining together with Allen and offered a site between Allen and Frisco that was still in Frisco territory. Before they sealed the deal Plano approached them with the offer to join their system and provide better coverage for everybody.

As for my personal history, I monitored Plano on their single UHF channel and remember when they brought up channel 5 to expand their coverage into what is now West Plano. I also monitored Frisco on 37.18 and McKinney on 158.745, Carrollton on 155.31, Richardson on 453.775, and FBI Dallas was in the clear on 163.975. So when you think of me in diapers you are also probably thinking about black and white TV and the heyday of AM radio. I have been monitoring for nearly forty years and dealt with Motorola when they installed their first newfangled trunked system in Dallas in the late 1970s. Pittman Corners was the largest shopping area in Plano, there was a field where Collin Creek mall is now, and Plano barely reached at Coit Rd.

So before you badmouth forum members you know nothing about perhaps you should reconsider trying harder to stay away from these forums.

Russell

 

[VictorXray]

I'm so impressed with your posts Steve. Thanks for the valuable misinformation you also have contributed to the forums. When we start spreading BS about the Carrollton TRS, feel free to hop back in.

I don't know Allen's history, but Frisco did bring 5 new channels to the Plano TRS. 866.06250, 866.96250, 867.06250, 867.96250, and 868.06250 were all originally a part of WPKU663, (but you already knew that, right Steve?)

 

[musicman476]

Steve,
You may have been around awhile. too. and have been on an inside track with the Plano system, but I can assure you that VX and Russell have the experience, insight, and contacts to know what they're talking about. They are not the kind that are going to post information that they're not certain about. It's safe to say they don't think they are "all all the talk" as you say. Thanks for your insight, but you might refrain from badmouthing other contributors without really knowing where they are coming from first. JMHO.

 

[Russell]

I'm so impressed with your posts Steve. Thanks for the valuable misinformation you also have contributed to the forums. When we start spreading BS about the Carrollton TRS, feel free to hop back in.

I don't know Allen's history, but Frisco did bring 5 new channels to the Plano TRS. 866.06250, 866.96250, 867.06250, 867.96250, and 868.06250 were all originally a part of WPKU663, (but you already knew that, right Steve?)

Funny you should mention that. I always thought that was weird that Allen acquired the frequencies but licensed them to Frisco. If you check out the 1998/1999 Police Call you find the frequencies listed that way, too. I had been living in Allen almost 10 years at that time and was glad Allen was moving off McKinney TRS onto "their own" system. I think by the time the licensing was finalized Allen had transferred the ownership to Frisco as the tower was going to be in Frisco. The tower was to be closer to Frisco/Allen line rather than the Hillcrest water tower location that was eventually used. When it was finally installed Frisco, Allen, and Plano had entered into the agreement.

With Frisco moving to their P25 system, will the current Plano tower be relocated more to the east or remain in it's current location? It seems less optimum to keep the tower at the Hillcrest location if Frisco is not on the system.

Russell