Glenpool, Jenks and 0297

[Chaos703]

A few update questions:

1. Has the Glenpool TGs been removed from BA's main site (71st and Lynn Lane)?

2. Will the new Jenks TGs be added to BA's main site?

3. I'm picking up an unknown PD's dispatch traffic on 0297 on BA's main site. Any idea who that would be?

 

[peterjmag]

It's a patch into Wagoner SO VHF 154.1 As for how the all the systems are going to play out I commented on this long ago and no one said anything. This is how each system will be set up once they are completed.

City of Broken Arrow Callsign WNNM947

856.7875 LCN 1
857.7875 LCN 2
858.7875 LCN 3
859.7875 LCN 4
860.7875 LCN 5
856.8375 LCN 6
857.8375 LCN 7
858.8375 LCN 8
859.7375 LCN 9
860.7375 LCN 10

City of Jenks Callsign WNNM947

856.2625 LCN 1
857.2625 LCN 2
858.2625 LCN 3
859.2625 LCN 4
860.2625 LCN 5

City of Bixby Callsign WPSG568

866.3250 LCN 1
866.8500 LCN 2
867.3750 LCN 3
868.1625 LCN 4
868.7125 LCN 5

City of Glenpool Callsign WQAV657

866.1875 LCN 1
866.7250 LCN 2
867.2625 LCN 3
868.0750 LCN 4
868.8500 LCN 5

Notice: You might hear other agencies on different sites like for example, I can hear Bixby PD on the BA site and Jenks PD on ther Glenpool site. If you live in each town you should just program that town's site. Keep in mind they are still under construction and Jenks is still getting their new 800 radios installed so give it some time. Hope this helps....

P.J.

 

[RAA9595]

PJ, Is it all EDACS Standard?

 

[peterjmag]

Yes Richard it is all still EDACS standard. Thanks...

P.J.

 

[Chaos703]

For me, the Wagoner County patch comes up as 0250, not 0297. Any other thoughts?

I read your earlier posts, Peter. I appreciated and used the info — I should have thanked you for posting it. I totally understand the new expansion sites and how the system works. But I was hoping that since Bixby, Glenpool and Jenks are all extensions to BA's main system, all TG's associated with the network would also be carried from the main broadcast point. I was hoping for this since up until recently, apparently, I could monitor BA, Bixby and Glenpool from BA's main site. Now I'm just hearing BA and Bixby.

My real conundrum comes from trying to figure out how to program all the EDACS systems without having to use four separate banks. Does anyone know any programming secrets to get around the restriction of one EDACS system per bank?

 

[peterjmag]

For me, the Wagoner County patch comes up as 0250, not 0297. Any other thoughts?

Hmmm that's news to me. I'll have to give BA a more close listen. I wonder if it's not Wagoner SO, then maybye Coweta PD? I'll listen further and if you figure out first let us know. Thanks...

P.J.

 

[okla-lawman]

I heard a rumor that Wagoner co. may be going 800 whn Cowet does..anybody else herd this??

 

[Freqed]

I heard a rumor that Wagoner co. may be going 800 whn Cowet does..anybody else herd this??

Have heard this for sometime, Don't know when it will happen though.

As far as only one EDACS system per bank, I believe that is the radio's restriction and not how you set it up. I think tne new 996 might be able to do more than one but not sure. I will try to read up about it when I get a chance, but I think it would be hard to do that way and not stay locked into just one of the 3 systems until traffic died down in the system the radio is locked into by chatter.

 

[peterjmag]

I heard a rumor that Wagoner co. may be going 800 whn Cowet does..anybody else herd this??

That's news to me. I have a friend who works for Wagoner PD and he said that the city and county really have no interest in going to any type of 800. They like their old fashioned old school VHF radios just fine. Then again he mentioned the good ol boy mentallity going on down there and most who know anything about communications are all for it. Just another round of polictics as usual.


P.J.

 

[Chaos703]

I went out this weekend and tried to get this all straight. I'll go ahead a post my field observations incase I'm not the only trying to figure out the new layouts.

The Broken Arrow site (WNNM947) broadcasts:
- All BA city services,
- Wagoner CoSO patch (which I guess is up all the time?)
- Bixby PD
Note: This site no longer broadcasts Glenpool PD

The Bixby site (WPSG568) broadcasts:
- Bixby PD
- Glenpool PD

The Glenpool site (WQAV657) broadcasts:
- Glenpool PD
- Jenks PD

The Jenks site (WNNM947) broadcasts:
- Jenks PD
- Glenpool PD
Note: Jenks PD still simulcasts of UHF (as I'm sure everyone knows).


I do, however, now have a new question:
From 244 and Yale I get a very strong signal from Jenks' 75W UHF broadcast (stock rubber duck on a PRO97). Yet on the 800 side, which is listed as 100W and broadcasts from the same location, I can't even hear the control channel. I was under the impression that 800's tighter modulation is better at cutting thought the typical interference of a cityscape. Anyone have an explanation for this?

 

[peterjmag]

I can't explain it but have been told in the past that Ericsson systems are not as strong as Motorola and that is why they use more towers to have coverage. As for the scientific explanation I don't really know.

 

[KD5WLX]

You also have to consider antenna height, antenna gain, system gain, and over the horizon capability for the band.

Height I don't know - the antennas may be on the same tower, but one could be significantly lower - they do that because it cuts interference between antennas. One high power transmitter can overload a nearby receiver, so they physically separate the antennas.

Antenna gain - one could have a significantly higher gain antenna than the other - it's easier to make a high gain antenna for 800MHz (smaller antenna, so you can make it bigger (proportionally) and get more gain in the same real estate on the tower) - but that doesn't mean they did.

System gain - the higher the freq, the more you have to worry about things like coax losses, etc. It's also possible their antenna isn't tuned right, and the transmitter is reducing power to avoid hurting itself.

Over the horizon view - the lower the band, the further the ground wave with follow the curve of the earth. 150MHz "line of sight" is actually about 5% beyond the "real" horizon, but at 50MHz it's closer to 10%. At 850MHz, actual LOS is really LOS. There's also things like knife-edge refraction and reflection, which vary (widely) with freq, and also are affected by the antenna height (of BOTH antennas).

Bottom line: Not enough info.

 

[Chaos703]

Thanks guys. That's a perfect example of what I love about this forum. I learn things everyday.


I forgot to share the attached picture from this weekend's adventure. Remember how I was complaining that since these new EDACS systems each require their own banks they were causing me to run out of bank space? Well, I came up with this super cool bank expansion system (Yes, that is a bungie cord. And yes, I built this all by myself):

 

[Chaos703]

I guess I'm still confused. On Saturday night Glenpool PD was back on BA's main site. But by Sunday morning, they were off again.

Does this network affiliate sites like the state's Motorola network? In other words, could BA only be broadcasting Glenpool because there happens to be a Glenpool radio affiliating with the BA site?

 

[Chaos703]

Sounds like Jenks PD's UHF simulcast has been taken down. Has anyone heard anything on it for the last couple of days?

Does anyone besides me care about the Edacs system changes?

Hello?

Is it my imagination, or are the number of posts WAY down? If so, is it because the Minnesota Madman keeps getting everyone in trouble with Lou by butting in on all the Oklahoma weather posts?

Don't you guys remember the tender wisdom of Rodney King: "C-c-can't we all just j-j-just get along?"

 

[peterjmag]

Sounds like Jenks PD's UHF simulcast has been taken down. Has anyone heard anything on it for the last couple of days?

Does anyone besides me care about the Edacs system changes?

Hello?

Is it my imagination, or are the number of posts WAY down? If so, is it because the Minnesota Madman keeps getting everyone in trouble with Lou by butting in on all the Oklahoma weather posts?

Don't you guys remember the tender wisdom of Rodney King: "C-c-can't we all just j-j-just get along?"

I care about the changes! Let me know what else you hear. The number of posts are down not because of that jerk from out of state but because there really isn't anything going on right now. Let us know what else you hear on the Jenks and all the rest of the EDACS systems. Thanks Chaos..

P.J.