GO Transit - Mextrolinx System - Site #4 - Pickering

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The site is in Uxbridge Township on the east side of Brock Road south of Goodwood Road, just as the map shows, and it's always been there.

Wait, what? Noo.. as I stated in this post, it's in Pickering, most likely at the Pickering Works yard.

If there is a 001-004 still operating in Uxbridge (even though the RRDB says/said it was "offline"), it's not broadcasting as of July 25/26 when I was through that area.
 

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The site is exactly where Andy said. We've both physically been there and can assure 100% it is there. Unless something has changed in the last two weeks..
 

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The site is exactly where Andy said. We've both physically been there and can assure 100% it is there. Unless something has changed in the last two weeks..

As I mentioned in the other thread, I was doing some monitoring in the past 2 weeks in the south Durham area, and briefly drove thru the north end as recently as the 26th. I don't think I would have picked up a signal from Uxbridge as strongly as I did at 401 x Brock Street, but stranger things have happened.

Could these sites be part of another Simulcast system?

That entirely could be possible.

The following sites share the same frequencies, according to TAFL (which I know isn't perfect, and doesn't always have 100% accurate data, but is the best source available):

The TAFL search used was "Metrolinx o/a GO Transit" - 3 licenses are listed in TAFL, 2 of which are 400Mhz ones (the other is microwave).

These sites have all the frequencies that have been identified in the RRDB as being in the "001-001" simulcast sites, as well as 412.2875.
CIU608 - Aurora, ON - 240 Orchard Hts Blvd
CIU321 - Innisfil, ON - 112A Valleyview Dr
CIU322 - Mitchell's Cnrs, ON - 5209 Enfield
CIU609 - Toronto, ON - 301 Front St (CN Twr)

The following two sites both have the same identical frequencies, with the exception of Waterdown having 1 extra freq 413.9375:
CIU662 - Waterdown, ON - Mountain Brow Rd
CIU661 - Hillsburgh, ON - 5200 Wellington 24

The following two sites share the same frequencies, with the exception of Pickering having 1 extra freq 410.9125:
CFV291 - Pickering, ON - 3189 Brock Rd
CHP350 - Niagara Falls, ON - 5815 Morrison St

There is another Pickering site (different IC callsign and frequencies, same location), with some (but not all) of the frequencies used on the "001-001" sites, plus some other frequencies from various other sites including the "miscellaneous" ones mentioned below:
CIU660 - Pickering, ON - 3189 Brock Rd

It has no other sites with similar configuration.

There are a handful of other miscellaneous single-frequency licenses for Burlington, Cambridge, Georgetown, and Oakville, all using one single frequency from a known/confirmed site.

There are a ton of reversed-pair fixed sites (I interpret these as base stations etc) in places like Etobicoke (125 Judson), Mississauga (3500 Wolfedale Rd), and Newmarket (18110 Yonge St), etc. I have excluded these from my search.

There is no license for any site in Uxbridge on the 400MHz licenses, but there IS one in the 10GHz licenses. It links the Oshawa MW site with the Ballantrae MW site. The Ballantrae site has no other links to it, and the Oshawa site links to Churchill, Toronto, and Aurora. All this is strictly 10GHz, 0.141W stuff according to the licenses.
 

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The site is exactly where Andy said. We've both physically been there and can assure 100% it is there. Unless something has changed in the last two weeks..

Thanks for checking guys.

I was parking the scanner on both Site 4 and Site 5 and both were silent.

Until those sites are hot again, I will restore Site 4 to what it was originally.
 

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The site is NOT in the TOWN of Uxbridge. It is in Uxbridge Township. Big difference. We'll check it out either way.
 

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The site is NOT in the TOWN of Uxbridge. It is in Uxbridge Township. Big difference. We'll check it out either way.

There are no 410MHZ licenses in the TAFL other than the ones mentioned above.

If there is a tower in Uxbridge - town, township, or otherwise - on the 400MHz band, the lack of any data in TAFL implies it is either (a) operating illegally or (2) has for some reason been hidden as a Protected License while every other license in the Metrolinx system is public.

While I admit that the TAFL does not always match reality, usually the inconsistencies involve not having all the frequencies listed at a tower site or etc., not having an entire site missing.

Once/if you get to the site and it is in fact operating, broadcasting sysid and WACN and channel info, please post it and the lat and long so it can be looked up.
 

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I'm sitting on the road across the street from the site at 3189 Brock Road (lat/long of N44.03120, W079.14107). This site is throwing a very strong signal on 410.3125 which is spitting out a System ID of 1ac (Metrolinx) and a Site ID of 106.

Site 6 is listed on RR as being Peterborough. This is not the case - site 4 should be updated to show Uxbridge with a CC of 410.3125.

It is in Uxbridge Township.

With respect to the TAFL licenses - it is well known that Metrolinx site licenses do /not/ reflect what is actually being transmitted from them. Often there is stuff transmitting on frequencies that are licensed halfway across the region, as is the case here. There's been other cases where frequencies are licensed to a particular tower but those frequencies are not used at all. Considering the licensed area and that Metrolinx is exclusive users of these frequencies...it doesn't really matter if the licenses are in the incorrect area - aside from the legal implications.

Now to find where Site 4 is! haha...
 

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I see where my confusion comes from, and I apologize. The "3189" numerics in Brock Road threw me. I don't understand how something north of the 9th can be 3189. When I lived in Brougham, my address was 3628 Brougham Road, the first house north of Highway 7. I had friends on 3550 Country Lane and 3570 Brock Road, both just a stone's throw south of Highway 7. So naturally I assumed that 3189 would be a good distance south of Highway 7, somewhere between the 5th Concession and the public works yard on Dersan. (Actually, looking on Google Maps, 3189 Brock Road Pickering is a non-existent address just south of the 5th, and 3189 Brock Road Uxbridge is where you (and the tower site) are. So that's where I got all screwed up, I guess.)

For what it's worth, TAFL sez that the Peterborough site is on the CHEX tower at N44 19 42 W78 17 58, which corresponds to a field off Television Road (go figure) in NE Peterborough.
 

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Still of confusion is the site 4 vs site 6. Here's a pic with all the relevant info.
 

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Just some updates here folks. It seems that Metrolinx has been playing with their system a bit. Current as of this morning, these are the CONFIRMED control channel frequencies, site numbers and locations:

1 - 410.2125 (East Simulcast Zone)
2 - 410.5375 (West Simulcast Zone)
3 - 410.3125 (Kitchener)
4 - 410.3125 (Niagara Falls)
5 - 410.5375 (Peterborough)
6 - 410.3125 (Uxbridge)

Note that it seems there is no longer a site 7 or 8. That is, no other site IDs could be found, either on the air, or being transmitted via neighbour lists from the above sites.

Interesting that they're only using 3 unique frequencies for control channels. Given the amount of frequencies they have, I wonder why?
 

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Just some updates here folks. It seems that Metrolinx has been playing with their system a bit. Current as of this morning, these are the CONFIRMED control channel frequencies, site numbers and locations:

1 - 410.2125 (East Simulcast Zone)
2 - 410.5375 (West Simulcast Zone)
3 - 410.3125 (Kitchener)
4 - 410.3125 (Niagara Falls)
5 - 410.5375 (Peterborough)
6 - 410.3125 (Uxbridge)

Note that it seems there is no longer a site 7 or 8. That is, no other site IDs could be found, either on the air, or being transmitted via neighbour lists from the above sites.

Interesting that they're only using 3 unique frequencies for control channels. Given the amount of frequencies they have, I wonder why?


From my location 410.3125 had been flicking between site 6 and 4 for me depending on the day.. that is why I thought that the site might be in Seaton as the Uxbridge site had never been online for me since I moved here last year.. Now that I see Niagara Falls has the same pair .. I might have been getting Niagara some days and Uxbridge others.. I would think this may cause some interference since those sites are not simulcast.
 
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