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Where's Jesse when we need him? What are they up to tonight-weather manipulation...sattelite jamming...or mind control?!! 2750khz at 0522utc
"haarp" Alaska mindbender! video by ridgerocker2001 - Photobucket
by the way after I videoed this they repeated twice and the second repeat was really strong so maybe they sent that one my way-I am feeling a little dizzy...
here's a photo of a HAARP array
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I think the only person who's dizzy is Jesse, but that's from natural causes. Either that or getting body slammed too many times.
 

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I seen that episode. I'm guessing they are using the same freq. for all the test?
 
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I've heard some crazy stuff about the HAARP array.

The whole weather manipulation thing was kind of scary. I saw a documentary that hinted China used a "weather weapon" to cause hurricane andrew and that HAARP was engaged as a "Weather sheild" for several years afterword.

Crazy jibberish if you ask me, but the science they put behind it was interesting, using radio waves to heat the atmosphere and change weather conditions
 

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I don't doubt anything when it comes to these things. You have the greatest minds working together with the greatest technology under unlimited uninterrupted conditions in unwatched environments with full blessing and most likely unlimited fundage because who is watching THAT money? It's not hard to imagine what can be done.
 

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Reading some of the Conspiratorial Cr*p on the gossip/fear mongering webpages, the HAARP thing is going to warm up the ionosphere by focussing the power from all those antennas (antennae?) - they look a lot like wire HF discones but with a central metal mast - but seeing as most of the atmosphere has gone by 60,000ft how do they warm up the odd few rare gas molecules? The ionospheric D region starts around 70km (210,000ft) and the F2 is way up at 400km (1,200,000ft) - there's not even gas up there - it's just free electrons. You may be able to re-ionise the upper layers with sufficient power and produce a reflective layer temporarily, but when you turn off the power, does the layer de-ionise and dissappear? Don't know, but it may be interesting to find out. One good thing from my point of view is that the transmitter is in Alaska, thats'a long way from here! (All data from my old RSGB handbook!)

Oh-oh - I see the conspiracy theorists now reckon that HAARP was responsible for the Christchurch NZ earthquake.....hmm....
 

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Where's Jesse when we need him? What are they up to tonight-weather manipulation...sattelite jamming...or mind control?!!

I hope you don't REALLY believe all that nonsense.

The HAARP website is pretty interesting, you might start with the FAQ:

Frequently Asked Questions

There's really nothing nefarious about what they're doing. In fact, on more than one occasion, they have enlisted the help of hams worldwide.

No need for an aluminum foil hat here... unless you're in the main lobe of their antenna pattern.
 

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Reading some of the Conspiratorial Cr*p on the gossip/fear mongering webpages, the HAARP thing is going to warm up the ionosphere by focussing the power from all those antennas (antennae?) - they look a lot like wire HF discones but with a central metal mast - but seeing as most of the atmosphere has gone by 60,000ft how do they warm up the odd few rare gas molecules? The ionospheric D region starts around 70km (210,000ft) and the F2 is way up at 400km (1,200,000ft) - there's not even gas up there - it's just free electrons. You may be able to re-ionise the upper layers with sufficient power and produce a reflective layer temporarily, but when you turn off the power, does the layer de-ionise and dissappear? Don't know, but it may be interesting to find out. One good thing from my point of view is that the transmitter is in Alaska, thats'a long way from here! (All data from my old RSGB handbook!)

Oh-oh - I see the conspiracy theorists now reckon that HAARP was responsible for the Christchurch NZ earthquake.....hmm....

Yes, the conspiracy stuff associated with HAARP is indeed interesting. I also like it how now any large antenna complex has taken on the name "HAARP" in certain circles.

The HAARP antennas are not discones, but rather enhanced dipoles, 4 per tower, two each for low and high band. The "enhanced" part is pretty simple, HAARP needs a broad bandwidth antenna, and one of the easiest ways to broaden the bandwidth of a dipole is to increase the diameter of the element in relationship to the wavelength. Make the dipole element bigger around, if you will. For example the "bird cage dipole" or "cage dipole".

As far as the altitudes for the different layers....if there is any heating associated, why assume it would be limited to one layer (although it might be larger in one area over another)? The RF would have to pass through everything on its way to a specific layer...shedding energy along the way (space loss). This would cause heating along the way, "burning" a path if you will.

Hmmmm...if that is the case then how much energy would go into heating the atmosphere before your quoted layers? To get to 70 km and assuming the lowest loss frequency HAARP operates at (about 2.8 MHz) space loss would take up 78 dB of the energy transmitted before the signal even got to that layer (10 MHz would have about 89 dB across the same 70 km path). Now, that means that by the time the 2.8 MHz signal got to 70 km altitude (assuming straight up and no path lengthening due to slant range) only a very small fraction of energy would be left, about 1/63097000. Or, if it launches with 3.6 million Watts, and it has 20 dB of gain at 2.8 MHz (it has 30 dB at 10 MHz, but as shown above the path loss is higher, so 2.8 MHz is the worse case), for an ERP at 2.8 MHz of 115.5 dBm (85.5 dBW), or about 360 million Watts, by the time it gets to 70 km altitude it is down to about 37.5 dBm (7.5 dBW). Or about 5.6 Watts, distributed more or less evenly across the area and depth of the entire illumination cell in the sky. I am not going to bother with that math, but it probably means you are getting a much higher power density, and more heating, in your head with your bluetooth device stuck in your ear. And, the other 359,999,994.4 Watts went into heating the lower atmosphere before it got to that altitude.

HAARP itself claims that the most intense regions of the upper atmosphere are on a power density level of less than 3 microwatts per square cm, and I would say that is somewhat optimistic under all but the most favorable conditions.

My math above was just some quick back of the envelope stuff (OK, really I did it on spreadsheet I had previously written for radar world applications on my iPad) and may have missed a few points, but should be pretty close in theory.

As far as the ionosphere returning to it's normal state after you turn the transmitter off, I would expect it would, but over time. Not just like flipping a switch. How much time that would take I can not even guess, but I would not be surprised if it was measure in hours. And I have no idea what the curve would look like.

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As far as the ionosphere returning to it's normal state after you turn the transmitter off, I would expect it would, but over time. Not just like flipping a switch. How much time that would take I can not even guess, but I would not be surprised if it was measure in hours. And I have no idea what the curve would look like.

Good post. Thanks.

As for the ionosphere's return to normal, according to the HAARP web page, it's a few seconds, to a few minutes. They attribute that to upper atmosphere turbulence, and the real bombardment that comes from the sun.
 

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Good post. Thanks.

As for the ionosphere's return to normal, according to the HAARP web page, it's a few seconds, to a few minutes. They attribute that to upper atmosphere turbulence, and the real bombardment that comes from the sun.

Ahhh, that makes much sense. I had not thought of the fact that the energy stimulating the region from the Sun, even in the specified frequency range, is going to be significant. I would not be surprised if it was indeed a good bit more than HAARP itself, even within HAARPs narrow frequency range, with the HAARP energy just adding a little push to the area, and so it would quickly return to natural state after that little push was removed.

It is just speculation on my part (sorry, have not read too much on HAARP, just the basics, much ado about nothing in my opinion), but I would not be surprised if the time varies a great deal depending on if the region is direct view to the Sun or not. If the case of "not" then possibly atmospheric turbulence could then be the primary driver to homogenizing the effect.

Regardless, it is an interesting thought exercise.

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Jesse sure could use you guys, all this speculation sure fits his agenda! (;->) Now maybe you want to Google Project Tesla... this should be fun.
 

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Yes, the conspiracy stuff associated with HAARP is indeed interesting. I also like it how now any large antenna complex has taken on the name "HAARP" in certain circles.

For many people... Basically anything with a fence around it is either for aliens or secret world domination. Or both.
 

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The whole weather manipulation thing was kind of scary. I saw a documentary that hinted China used a "weather weapon" to cause hurricane andrew and that HAARP was engaged as a "Weather sheild" for several years afterword.

Uhh, that wasn't a documentary, it's a movie you saw on the ScyFy channel.
 
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It is just speculation on my part (sorry, have not read too much on HAARP, just the basics, much ado about nothing in my opinion), but I would not be surprised if the time varies a great deal depending on if the region is direct view to the Sun or not. If the case of "not" then possibly atmospheric turbulence could then be the primary driver to homogenizing the effect.

The location was specifically chosen because it's far enough north to be included in polar aurora activity, and far enough south to be out of that region, depending on specific conditions.

It's a neat facility, and they're doing some neat science. It's pretty comical that the 'black helicopter and aluminum foil' crowd has glommed onto it as a cause célèbre.
 
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This sort of goes with what has been contemplated here about HAARP-here are pics of Sutro Tower. First one was way back in 2009 I thought it was so strange the way that tower influenced the clouds that evening so I took a shot. I noticed it again today, it was so dramatic I hadda get another shot. If this is what this tower can do unintentionally-imagine the power of HAARP with intent!
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