How do I know if a frequency is fully encrypted

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tamleigh

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I have a Uniden BC325P2 scanner. I have purchased the DMN and NXDR upgrades. I am listening to Kay County Channels. Until recently I was able to listen to Ponca City fire and ambulance. In the last 3 weeks or so I realized that I have not been hearing any fire or ambulance calls for Ponca City. I’ve been told that they went to digital UHF and that it is private now. I can not find any information on this. How do I know if I will be able to listen to them again and what they are actually programming in. Fully encrypted? I’m at a loss and would like to be able to listen again. This is Oklahoma. Thanks for any help.
 

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Unless somebody in your local area can confirm for you, have a listen and see if you hear any traffic in the clear.
 

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There's no indication whether they are encrypted or otherwise. Some nearby places look like they are using NXDN, or DMR so it's possibly that your folks might have gone this route. You'd have to re-program your scanner to listen for digital signals and see if that is helpful.
 

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I think this will tell you what you need right here:

If you dig in to their applications and look at their July 30, 2020 application, they added DMR emission type to the license.
That would suggest they switched to DMR.

As of July 6th, 2021, they'd filed the paperwork with the FCC to say the new system construction had been completed. Not uncommon for them to take a year to get all the new radios installed, programmed and ready to go.


As for encryption, that will not be reflected on the license. But, on digital radios, basic encryption is usually included and as easy as setting it up when programming the radio.

As others have said, you will need to do some monitoring and see what you hear.
 

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Uniden has tried to follow the FCC’s rulings on how to handle encryption. According to the FCC’s latest amended Communications Act of 1934, a scanner manufacturer must (reasonably) exclude reception of encrypted transmissions. That means the scanner must be able to first identify an encrypted signal, and then ignore it by continuing to scan. I say “reasonable” because while some of the most common forms of encryption can be identified and therefore ignored, there are some forms the scanner manufacturers haven’t been able to identify. (That may be due to the design of the scanner where the ability to identify would require major design changes, or other reasons I haven’t thought of here… Uniden and the other manufacturers probably submitted requests for waivers where they show a concerted effort to abide by the ruling but came up short.)

I write this because the newer Uniden scanners have this ability to ignore some encrypted signals and continue scanning. I do not know if it’s incorporated in the BCD396P2 or the BCD996P2 but I believe it’s included in the SDS100 & SDS200.

I agree with the pervious reply, namely to program the system as a DMR system and then check for encryption, but with the following caveat… if it’s the ONLY DMR system you want to monitor, first check with the agency and get a definitive answer to the question “Is the system encrypted? Is it full time encryption? Are all channels or TG’s encrypted?” Sometimes a state/county/town/city/ will fully encrypt all police channels/TG’s, or all but dispatch, and leave the FD channels/TG’s in the clear. If the answer you get tells you the stuff you want to monitor is encrypted, you can save yourself the expense of subscribing to the DMR add-on.
 
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