How Vulgar can you get on HAM?

[gewecke]

fordcobra04:

Get w/ the programme!!!

This is Radio.Reference NOT Radio.Rumour w/ all that implies....

So, stop mindlessly reading/regurgitating the dis-info. & sophistry put out for years on the World-Wide-Wasteland by the "14.275 Mafia" [(c) Steve K9ZW] in general and Brian CROW K3VR -- a.k.a. "VE7KFM" as originally FRAUDulently registered herein -- most recently posting as "USA", "steve_tkh", etc., on this forum in particular....

Rather, TURN ON THE RADIO, assuming you have one, hopefully w/ at least a coat-hanger for an antenna and LISTEN FOR YOURSELF!

FYI Karol VE7KFM has NOT been heard on 14.275 MHz since Canada Day 2009 -- when he invited Glenn K1MAN back thereon -- in order to help him disrupt/displace the "14.275 Mafia" from its decade-long 'den of iniquity'....

K1MAN is now transmitting "Bulletins" 24/7/365 thereon and has for nearly a year-and-a-half -- so as to obviate even the possibility of malicious interference from FRAUDulent 'put up jobs', be they misled/compromised Boy Scouts or other HAMereekan F***TARDS -- as Karol is colourfully wont to say, HI.

Also, you are being unfair/unkind to Karol a.k.a. "RADIO CANADA"--VE7KFM for which see his ONE & ONLY attributed, signed and even (c) website:

“RADIO CANADA”—VE7KFM--Being Stalked by Brian L. CROW K3VR

who single-handedly, if reluctantly, in the last decade outlined the limits of your much ballyhooed "Free Speech" generally and in the ARS in particular....

This initially was in the now famous series of QSOs w/ Glenn K1MAN on 14.275 MHz culminating in Dec. 2005 -- as well as generally, during the next several years, whenever the clear "opportunity" presented itself -- all long before the recent seminal US Supreme Court decision, to the same effect and on the same subject!

Closer to home/the subject and to more precisely/succinctly answer the very question of this thread, pray find below my "73" the grammar/diction/spelling-corrected gravamen of a Warning Letter written by Laura SMITH, Special Counsel for Amateur Radio Enforcement (SCARE) to Randy BEST W7CPA one of the "14.275 Mafia"....

HA, Ha, ha... indeed!

73


From: Laura Smith Laura.Smith@fcc.gov
Date: March 3, 2009 7:55:40 AM GMT-07:00
To: Randy COX <randybest@cox.net>, William Shine <bill.shine@mac.com>

Subject: RE: Alledgely [sic] QRMing my signal on 14.275

Normally I would not get involved in what on the surface appears to be a "he said/she said" type of dispute….
I do feel, however, that some guidance is necessary (that and the fact that I have just about reached the end of my rope with all the players in this little drama!).

Randy -- I don't particularly like what Karol says on the air -- but that does not mean that you (or anyone else) has the right to try to drive him off…. and to tell you the truth, even if I did have jurisdiction over Karol (which I DO NOT) nothing that I have heard thus far rises to the level of an actionable complaint….

Indeed, were Karol an American, his speech would fall squarely under the 1st Amendment -- you know that thing many of our forefathers fought and died for (not to mention our troops overseas right now). When you call yourself patriotic, built within that statement is the acceptance of the Constitution and all it entails -- free speech is one of the cornerstones of that fine document. It doesn't mean only the speech YOU agree with; or only the speech that the majority of folks agree with; or even only speech that isn't offensive to most mature, rational adults. It means ALL speech -- the good, the bad, and yes, even the ugly (as Karol is quite often wont to spout)….

I have requested that Karol tone down his "act"….
He is going to continue the "act" -- and you guys thus far have demonstrated that you are going to continue falling into his trap. What does that say about the cognitive abilities of the Americans as they are all being led around by a master manipulator?

What is within the confines of the rules, however, is the fact that I can (AND WILL) enforce the rules against any Americans who cause harmful interference to Karol (and any of the folks who elect to engage him in QSOs). Let me repeat that so everyone understands it -- RETALIATORY JAMMING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED AND IS IN VIOLATION OF THE RULES!

I hope you all got my message here -- I have just about had it with the juvenile antics on the part of the American licensees. By the way, playing bulletins and tapes of a deceased licensee repeatedly in an effort to tie up the frequency so that Karol (and others) cannot use it actually does rise to the level of malicious interference -- and is subject to a possible enforcement action. Likewise, I won't even go into the ridiculous sound effects, endless playing of music, and general pre-pubescent behavior that quite a number of folks engage in on a daily basis at 14.275 -- again, all in an attempt to prevent Karol from engaging in QSOs. It needs to stop and needs to stop right now!

Can you tell I'm pissed? If you haven't yet figured it out let me clue you in here -- this behavior either stops now or everyone involved will find themselves on the receiving end of enforcement letters. This is an absolute disgrace -- I know kindergarteners that have shown a higher degree of maturity than the whole bunch of you!!

Laura

Laura L. Smith, Esq. | 1270 Fairfield Road, Gettysburg, PA 17325 | 717-338-2577 (phone) | 717-338-2574 (fax)

A good reason why I have no use for hf.
n9zas

 

[N8GXZ]

Its almost like some clowns on the internet chatrooms , If they think no one knows who they, are they are big and brave. , IP addresses are traceable as well as VHF UHF signals A bit harder on HF . When these people are confronted in person , Now thats a different story. It takes all kinds to make up the human race , eventually these people are taught a lesson

 

[elk2370bruce]

Don't we already have one thread here about these clowns? That's three more than we need or want. We give these aging adolescents too much public attention here and on other sites - and they love the notoriety. We've already said our piece each time this topic comes up (often ad nauseum) so why don't we just move on with our lives without the colonic spasm of rehashed comments. Just keep those cards, letters, tapes and cd's flowing to Auntie FCC's Regional Office. Their time will come and it will not be pretty.

 

[BamaScan]

As long as you talk to Karol Madera VE7KFM. Also known as "Radio Canada" Trash Talk and music is allowed for some reason. The FCC turns a blind eye to this. Don't know why. One good thing about it they all stay arround 14.272 - 14.275.

 

[SCPD]

Ya know, in the Android marketplace, there is an app called Tune in Radio, which I have downloaded, since there are a few radio stations that I like to listen to for the music. They allow you, if you want, to download 147.435 W6NUT. So a few nights ago I decided to download the feed and it was just like listening to these idiots on my scanner or Ham radio. There was lots of vile language. Isn't amazing that these guys are so famous for their vulgarity that you can now listen to them on your Android phone.

Dave
KA6TJF

 

[n5ims]

The FCC turns a blind eye to this. Don't know why.

VE7KFM is a Canadian Ham and is broadcasting from Canada under the rules of the Canadian authorities. This is exactly why the FCC turns a blind eye to his actions. What they have repeatedly done is get tough on the US hams that have attempted to retaliate or respond to his actions with similar actions and violate the US laws in the process.

The real question isn't why the FCC doesn't do anything, but why the Canidian authorities don't take action against him since they have the authority to control transmissions that originate from Canada. Certainly his transmissions go against their rules like they would from US amateurs that attempt it under the FCC's jurisdiction.

 

[ridgescan]

A while back I heard one drunk guy calling another MAN the "C" word on 80 meters. That "C" word was repeated like 10 times by this guy, who had a big signal and was shutting down that net bigtime. All I kept thinking was what a shame because it is a very expensive hobby, guys spending tens of thousands of $$ to hear this, and is partly why I have hesitated to become a ham.

 

[Token]

A while back I heard one drunk guy calling another MAN the "C" word on 80 meters. That "C" word was repeated like 10 times by this guy, who had a big signal and was shutting down that net bigtime. All I kept thinking was what a shame because it is a very expensive hobby, guys spending tens of thousands of $$ to hear this, and is partly why I have hesitated to become a ham.

Ham radio, like every other activity, is a cross section of society. You will find good people and jerks in about the same ratios as you find them in the local populace.

Many people, particularly old timers (sorry, I have been a ham since 1967, I think it is OK for me to use “old timers”), talk about the dumbing down of ham radio, and what it has done to the “ham” community. Saying such activities as these being discussed in this thread never would have happened in the old days. They are partially right, such activities would not have been tolerated as a regular thing 30 years ago, but not because of any dumbing down of the ham community by testing practices or anything along those lines.

To be sure, with the ease of licensing the “average” new Technician or General on the air (and in the old days you never would have heard of anyone being an Extra the first time they got on the air, I have heard several in the last few years) may be less well informed on the radio basics, both technical and operational, but that has nothing to do with discourteous or vulgar language or activities.

The fact of the matter is, society in general is more accepting of such language and activities in day-to-day life. It has become tolerable. You walk through a shopping mall during this holiday shopping season and hear young adults (and some not so young) using the described language every day. Of course you are going to hear it on the radio.

So the jerk you are describing spent a big chunk of change to show his personality on the air, why should that stop you from enjoying ham radio? It does not stop you from going out in public, does it? Should such people control your actions through their own lack of coolth?

T!

 

[ridgescan]

Point taken T I failed to mention all the good and interesting gentlemen I have also heard. Like I said, it was part of the reasons I hesitate. Some of it is me self-questioning would I measure up to those good guys and folks like you, prcguy, Warren, Mike, who know so much of the technical world-I am so far in the mud because only my affinity for radios between long hours at work has carried me to the level of knowledge I have now-How's that for fessin'

 

[WX4JCW]

Ya know, in the Android marketplace, there is an app called Tune in Radio, which I have downloaded, since there are a few radio stations that I like to listen to for the music. They allow you, if you want, to download 147.435 W6NUT. So a few nights ago I decided to download the feed and it was just like listening to these idiots on my scanner or Ham radio. There was lots of vile language. Isn't amazing that these guys are so famous for their vulgarity that you can now listen to them on your Android phone.

Dave
KA6TJF

i think in the case of W6NUT they just keep all the nuts (Pun Intended) in one basket in socal, as to keep them off the other repeaters, i was actually in the area and came up on it not knowing what it was, but they were very cool and friendly.

and it looks as if the subject is even brought up on QRZ they quash it

 

[KK6PD]

I see 2 simple options.
1- Turn radio off!!
2 -Turn radio to another freq!!!

 

[SCPD]

i think in the case of W6NUT they just keep all the nuts (Pun Intended) in one basket in socal, as to keep them off the other repeaters, i was actually in the area and came up on it not knowing what it was, but they were very cool and friendly.

and it looks as if the subject is even brought up on QRZ they quash it

Well, I can tell you from personal experience that this is the case. I was talking to a few members of the Catalina Island Repeater Club this past summer and they told me they don't even bother with with these guys. Best to just let them be on their own frequency, so they don't bother the rest of the amateur community. I just find it hilarious that someone is putting them on Tune In Radio, right alongside legitimate AM/FM broadcasters.

Dave
KA6TJF

 

[motorola_otaku]

Ahh, nothing like a good 435/profanity over amateur radio b'awwfest thread to whittle away a slow afternoon.

Bottom line is, there's something for everyone in amateur radio. I cannot emphasize it enough. If you're a good God-fearing Dudley Do-Right there's a frequency and a mode for you. If you're an angry right-wing militant separatist there's a frequency and a mode for you. If you're a wide-eyed new licensee, well, I heartily suggest taking all of it in. Find a club or group that does some really esoteric and off-the-beaten-path stuff like microwave or moonbounce and see what they're all about. Try SSTV. Cobble together a cheap HF receiving setup (like a Yaesu FRG-7 and an indoor active antenna, author-approved) and play with digital decode. Try 6 meters. But for crying out loud, don't rip up your license because the 435 crowd/mindset twists your titty.. or, for that matter, because the kilocycle cops and prostate nets liquefy your brain. Radical thinking, I know.

As one of the oft-lamented new crop of no-code punk-a$$ youngsters I can't help but laugh and relish a little all of the BANE OF OUR EXISTENCE hatred dished out by the curmudgeon-y old man proletariat. At least we're DOING SOMETHING to stave off the attrition caused by your unwillingness to embrace or even accept change. Go to your grave clinging to your OO forms and sainted straight-keys for all I care, I'll be right here building P25 repeaters and spraying your precious HF spectrum with ALE.. and using every single one of George Carlin's forbidden words on 900 simplex. But I digress.

On the repeaters I built or help maintain we don't allow the 7 words of infamy, but we don't go for prostates and the weather either. When I'm on there the discussion usually revolves around Motorola or who got trashed and made a fool of themselves at the party last weekend. Other times it's Alex Jones/Infowars-type stuff.. not my cup of tea personally but infinitely more interesting than the typical repeater fare. And yes, sometimes we do get silly and start keying over each other because someone wont pause long enough for anyone else to get in.. but the point is, we're having fun with the hobby and using the airwaves. People lose sight of that entirely too easily sometimes. I'll go out of my way to make sure my fun isn't interfering with your fun, and as long as you can do likewise we're cool. And y'know, if you ever get to talk to a FCC field agent you'll probably find that a lot of them take the same approach, which is a big part of 435's continued existence.

Anyway, tl;dr you get what you put in and there's enough room for everyone. No need to get all Part 97 about it. Oh, and in case it wasn't glaringly obvious CDN is one of Karol's puppet accounts.

 

[CDN]

What do you know 'fer sure'?

VE7KFM is a Canadian Ham and is broadcasting from Canada under the rules of the Canadian authorities. This is exactly why the FCC turns a blind eye to his actions. What they have repeatedly done is get tough on the US hams that have attempted to retaliate or respond to his actions with similar actions and violate the US laws in the process.

The real question isn't why the FCC doesn't do anything, but why the Canidian authorities don't take action against him since they have the authority to control transmissions that originate from Canada. Certainly his transmissions go against their rules like they would from US amateurs that attempt it under the FCC's jurisdiction.

John N5IMS:

Partly because the years-long bashing of Karol VE7KFM on RadioRef. is getting boring, but mainly because you're a VHF/UHF compu-geek likely getting most of your info. off the World-Wide-Wasteland, I'll be laconic in and even number my 'faint praise' of you....

First, VE7KFM is NOT "broadcasting"....

Second, "the Canadian authorities" know all about Captain Karol F. MADERA [Ret'd] a.k.a. VE7KFM, the sometime Communications & Electronic Warfare Officer in the Canadian Armed Forces and for nearly a handful of years now have STRENUOUSLY been trying to 'disengage' from him/cover their very exposed asses....

Third, the chief mischief-maker in this on-air/on the WWW Criminality is a HAMereekan STALKER, CYBERPATH, SOCIOPATH and very arguably PSYCHOPATH by the name of Brian CROW, who was a CB'er known as "Dark Horse", lately licenced as K3VR and who I have every reason to believe originally FRAUDulently registered on RadioRef. 'as if' "VE7KFM", as is his tiresome OBSESSIVE wont....

Fourth, as the blistering Warning Letter by Laura SMITH to Randy 'Racist' BEST W7CPA quoted earlier in this thread evidences, the FCC does not always turn a blind eye to the mischief being caused to Karol VE7KFM....

Fifth, regrettably, despite the Laura SMITH Warning Letter to Randy W7CPA, the FCC has for some PERVERSE reason NOT 'got tough' -- repeatedly or otherwise -- with US Radio Terrorists who have been interfering w/ Karol and do so just below 14.275 MHz still....

Sixth, 'The real question is why the FCC doesn't do anything SUBSTANTIVE about this plague in the middle of the 20 m Band'....

Seventh, did it ever cross your mind that "the Canidian [sic] authorities don't take action against him" because VE7KFM has done nothing wrong IAW the Canadian Rules & Regulations, which, among other things as someone trained as a Lawyer, he knows better than most?

Eighth, why are you so irrationally 'certain' that Karol's transmissions go against Canadian rules, when YOUR Laura SMITH declared that 'nothing that she had heard thus far rises to the level of an actionable complaint' and keeping especially in mind that MY Canada is known to be more liberal than the Right Wing Whacko Excited States of HAMereeka?

Ohh, never mind, I just 'fingered it out': you're from StupidLand !!!

73 and be sure to invite those living under the bridge near you for a meal on Xmas....

 

[canav844]

It's not there yet but this thread seems on track to become "How Vulgar can you get on RR?"

 

[SCPD]

It's not there yet but this thread seems on track to become "How Vulgar can you get on RR?"

Well, there is an active live feed of 147.435 W6NUT on RR, so I believe we're already there.

Dave
KA6TJF

 

[Aweitzel]

I think i did end up opening a can of worms.
I didn't mean for this little thread to turn into all this.

 

[elk2370bruce]

It's not there yet but this thread seems on track to become "How Vulgar can you get on RR?"

Actually there have (are) several of these useless threads infesting RR.com. Amateur radio (although there are those who would prefer) is not isolated nor compartmentalized from the rest of society. As such, we are prone to the same cultural ills as any other group. We whine, complain, and wring our hands here due to a small minority of clowns who choose not to comform to anticipated and accepted standards of behavior and speech and are not worth the effort (nor band width) they are being given here. Often, it only fuels the continuance of potty-mouth attention- getting activities. Our comments (usually ad nauseaum), about NUT and .275 are worthless and result in no positive change or actions. Why the hell are we continually wasting time on the flagellation of this deceased equine? Our hobby is too large and has too many fun elements to waste our time on these losers.

 

[CDN]

To Answer the Question...

All:

With the Holidays approaching, it's arguably time to put a "ribbon" on this thread and DEFINITIVELY attempt to answer the Question: "How Vulgar can you get on HAM?" using HAMereekan audio evidence, as recorded by one of their own, HI....

If a picture is worth a 1,000 words, then analogously, this audio clip is worth at least 10,000 words in the context of this thread and otherwise:

http://members.shaw.ca/ve7kfm/n1fm.mp3

Or, to quote Jimmy N5IFI from several years ago: “I think this is a recording that everyone in amateur radio should hear....”

73

 

[elk2370bruce]

This clip, and all of the other versions of same, is nothing more than an effort to give these clowns the attention they do not deserve. BTW can't you find anything more recent? He has been off the air for some time I understand. LET THIS FREAKING THREAD DIE A NATURAL DEATH. We keep digging it up and each time the decaying corpse just smells worse. Is that all amateur radio means to you? Come on guys get real.