Kenwood NX-5000 dual-mode P25/NXDN radios

[RK3AAG]

Back to Mixed Zones / Enhaced Mixed Operation. How to do it actually?

Iv'e checked my KPG-D1 v. 1.62 and radio with 1.62 FW, and can't find anything similar!

So all looks like JVC-Ken declared this feature, but did not done it until now.

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[RK3AAG]

I've been owning NX-5700/5800 mobiles for some months, but I was unable to test them in full. But now I am working very tight with them and spend 10 hours daily. And I started collecting some most wanted/poor designed/missed/other things in NX-5000 radios.

Here is my list:

1. DMR conventional with basic ‘encryption’ (Motorola compatible)
2. Automatic call detection / Enhanced mixed operation. Radio must automatically recognize P25 Conventional, NX Conventional and Analogue and transmit back appropriately (as promised on Kenwood web site).
3. KPG-D1N: More than 31 channels in scan list. I need 50 as minimum, but it’s better to remove limit at all. Or set it to 128 or something. It must be user's/admin's choice, but not hardcoded limitation as in Motorola (15+1 in Astro25 or 30 in APX)!
4. KPG-D1N: extremely slow & stucking programming software on any PC, including Core i7 + SSD. JVC-KW must speed it up!
5. Wideband (25 kHz) option or FPU, free for users who alerady paid for 'narrow' version. I am not intended to pay twice for the same SW. And Motorola provides Wide EID for free for their MotoTRBO CPS.
6. KPG-D1N: Zone sort
7. KPG-D1N: Channel sort
8. KPG-D1N: Channel insert (at any place, including between others)
9. KPG-D1N: Programming data export, including CSV and optionally HTML
10. KPG-D1N: Programming data import, including CSV
11. KPG-D1N: More than 32 personalities per radio
12. Backlight on receive
13. Native USB Programming support (not via serial)

I hope that Kenwood is watching and will implement/improve something from the list.

I will develop/update this list from time to time. Please feel free to add something.

 

[RK3AAG]

New ones.

14. PTT inhibit if no Ignition Sense present (Mobiles only)
15. Global (Per Radio) RF Output Power setting, but not only Per Channel (Mobiles only)

 

[RK3AAG]

Guys,

Who can point me to SD slot location in mobile radios? User's manual has noting on this.

 

[kd4efm]

Guys,

Who can point me to SD slot location in mobile radios? User's manual has noting on this.

Behind the control head. Or on the side of the Kch20

kd4efm Evans, sent using TapTALK on my HTC M9

 

[BigEd1314]

You can only have max 31 channels per scan list?

 

[RK3AAG]

Behind the control head. Or on the side of the Kch20

kd4efm Evans, sent using TapTALK on my HTC M9

Thanks!

So I have to remove standard control head to install SD card?

What is the maximum recognizable SD card capacity? 32 or 64 GB will work?

 

[RK3AAG]

You can only have max 31 channels per scan list?

If you want to organize scan via scan lists (not via zones), YES. 31 channel max. It's FPU limitation. Please see picture attached.

 

[kd4efm]

NX-5000 scan

What is wrong with Multi-Zone scan? I use it and well, I have not hit 31 but I hear all I need to hear.

help file:
Transceiver Settings > Scan
Scan List
Help_P25 Help_NXDN Help_Analog
In Scan List, a maximum 128 scan lists can be configured.


My NX-800 covers all the LTR I need to scan, so Im not worried over the 32 personalities either.

N3AAG; I will be able to answer some not all, of your suggestions, most of the gang is out for the
holidays so I wont get direct answers on your suggestions right now.

EFM

 

[RK3AAG]

What is wrong with Multi-Zone scan? I use it and well, I have not hit 31 but I hear all I need to hear.

My NX-800 covers all the LTR I need to scan, so Im not worried over the 32 personalities either.

N3AAG; I will be able to answer some not all, of your suggestions, most of the gang is out for the
holidays so I wont get direct answers on your suggestions right now.

EFM

In NX5K Kenwood offered new style scan as alternative. New one is very similar to Motorola. It's more convenient, because you see what you will get on one screen, and you can set any order (including different from channels order). Sometimes it's really important. It's new technology for Kenwood, but very old for industry (Motorola offers it for decades). I glad to have it anyway, but it's a bit underdeveloped. It they remove 31 ch limitation it could be much better.

And I don't think that you can help with my concerns. I posted these things as some kind of petition to manufacturer, because it's very important to listen your customers. The #1 industry company is not listening for their customers, so my new hopes linked with Hytera and JVC-Kenwood vendors.

P.S.
The only question to you - how to download WAV files from SD card installed into mobile radio? Disassemble radio every time? Or in case of USB cabe it will appear as USB UMS (Mass Storage)? I don't have USB cable right now, so I can't try.

 

[kd4efm]

Guys,

Who can point me to SD slot location in mobile radios? User's manual has noting on this.

See photo for location AND size.

 

[kd4efm]

New ones.

14. PTT inhibit if no Ignition Sense present (Mobiles only)
15. Global (Per Radio) RF Output Power setting, but not only Per Channel (Mobiles only)

15; already there. set a hot key or add it to the menu.

 

[RK3AAG]

15; already there. set a hot key or add it to the menu.

I am talking about a bit different thing. To be able to set L/M/H value in W in FPU. Like is Waris, Astro and TRBO radios. This feature is not engeneer level as Test Mode, it's available in CPS for everyone. It's not related with tuning process and does not require service monitor. Just set any value you need.

Please find picture attached.

 

[kd4efm]

I've been owning NX-5700/5800 mobiles for some months, but I was unable to test them in full. But now I am working very tight with them and spend 10 hours daily. And I started collecting some most wanted/poor designed/missed/other things in NX-5000 radios.

Here is my list:

1. DMR conventional with basic ‘encryption’ (Motorola compatible)
2. Automatic call detection / Enhanced mixed operation. Radio must automatically recognize P25 Conventional, NX Conventional and Analogue and transmit back appropriately (as promised on Kenwood web site).
3. KPG-D1N: More than 31 channels in scan list. I need 50 as minimum, but it’s better to remove limit at all. Or set it to 128 or something. It must be user's/admin's choice, but not hardcoded limitation as in Motorola (15+1 in Astro25 or 30 in APX)!
4. KPG-D1N: extremely slow & stucking programming software on any PC, including Core i7 + SSD. JVC-KW must speed it up!
5. Wideband (25 kHz) option or FPU, free for users who alerady paid for 'narrow' version. I am not intended to pay twice for the same SW. And Motorola provides Wide EID for free for their MotoTRBO CPS.
6. KPG-D1N: Zone sort
7. KPG-D1N: Channel sort
8. KPG-D1N: Channel insert (at any place, including between others)
9. KPG-D1N: Programming data export, including CSV and optionally HTML
10. KPG-D1N: Programming data import, including CSV
11. KPG-D1N: More than 32 personalities per radio
12. Backlight on receive
13. Native USB Programming support (not via serial)

I hope that Kenwood is watching and will implement/improve something from the list.

I will develop/update this list from time to time. Please feel free to add something.

DMR: why? It does P25 Phase 2. This is not built for ham radio.
Wide Band, Ask for it the first time, same price.
32 per. is more than enough, why you need more than 32? for LTR? use your nx-800.
backlight, again why?
Programming, use the high speed usb cable in uart mode. i can program 3 decks in about 3 minutes.
Pentium i core 3 on a hp-15 laptop.

I can't educate all sales weasels on how to sell to hams.

 

[Markb]

DMR is not an amateur radio protocol. It is more widely used than NXDN by a factor of at least 2:1, depending on where you are.

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[kd4efm]

I am talking about a bit different thing. To be able to set L/M/H value in W in FPU. Like is Waris, Astro and TRBO radios. This feature is not engeneer level as Test Mode, it's available in CPS for everyone. It's not related with tuning process and does not require service monitor. Just set any value you need.

Please find picture attached.

making this hard on yourself.... I think your trying to make a mountain out of a swimming hole.

why does a cop/medic/fire fighter, sanitation worker, tow truck driver, need to do this?


go into test mode, set the levels and go....

 

[RK3AAG]

DMR: why? It does P25 Phase 2. This is not built for ham radio.

DMR is most growning professional standard even in US! After a few years of Tier 3 ignorance, Motorola decided to release FW/SW update. It happened under the high pressure of end users and Hytera. And as you heard, Kenwood probably will do the same in US. In Europe they already have DMR, it's just another firmware, but same radios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLh4jspOKtc

DMR - it's rock, inevitable. They are a lot of new DMR projects in US, including PD and FD.

 

[kd4efm]

DMR is not an amateur radio protocol. It is more widely used than NXDN by a factor of at least 2:1, depending on where you are.

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Kenwood is not going to stick DMR in the 5000. Not right now.
see post back in March or so.

 

[RK3AAG]

DMR is not an amateur radio protocol. It is more widely used than NXDN by a factor of at least 2:1, depending on where you are.

Agree!

P.S.
I am really disappointed to hear something like that from dealer. The very low degree of knowledge.

 

[RK3AAG]

Kenwood is not going to stick DMR in the 5000. Not right now.
see post back in March or so.

I heard another rumor a few days ago. That they will join DMR game with NX5K.