i see alot of these on ebay for 180.00 can these be used for fire depts with vhf radios i heard they were ham radios that wouldnt work for the correct band? can anyone help me out here thanks
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N8IAA
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No, they can't. They are not type accepted by the FCC. Especially when the changeover to narrowband frequencies happens. Wouldn't want to lose my ham license over the price of a radio. Now, on the other hand, commercial radios can be used in the ham bands.
Larry
I know many people who have used ham radios out of ham bands. No problems from the FCC.
Tim
RadioDaze
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That is to say, they weren't caught. I doubt the FCC observed this happening and gave them a pass.
kayn1n32008
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Whith the rersonable prices on ebay and other sites, for used commercial equipment, there is no reason to use ham gear. Not to mention all the problerms with narrowbanding. Many people have used ham gear out of band, yup, till they get caught. Not to mention the problems it is going to cause to new adjacent users. It would be nice if ham manufacters would stop making gear that can be modded for OOBT.
Tim: if everyone jumped off a cliff would you do it too because others had?
Whith the rersonable prices on ebay and other sites, for used commercial equipment, there is no reason to use ham gear. Not to mention all the problerms with narrowbanding. Many people have used ham gear out of band, yup, till they get caught. Not to mention the problems it is going to cause to new adjacent users. It would be nice if ham manufacters would stop making gear that can be modded for OOBT.
Tim: if everyone jumped off a cliff would you do it too because others had?
RadioDaze
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For receive only, perfectly fine... nice receiver.
For transmitting, perfectly fine to get your department into deep doodoo.
Negative, our departments have no control over the type of radio we use if purchased with our own money. Anything with regards to that would fall on us. The FCC wouldnt be able to regulate them anyway.
Even if the FCC tried to do any regulation here, blame would fall on the Manufacturer because it allowed us to program it how we wanted.
Even if the FCC tried to do any regulation here, blame would fall on the Manufacturer because it allowed us to program it how we wanted.
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No, it doesn't fall on the manufacturer. Out of the box, ham radios can NOT be programmed to transmit on non-ham frequencies. Period. If they are modified by the end-user they can but that is out of the control of the radio manufacturer.
Unless they one day decide to encase the PC boards in epoxy making it impossible to "snip the green wire". But then that would go over real well with repair techs.
Unless they one day decide to encase the PC boards in epoxy making it impossible to "snip the green wire". But then that would go over real well with repair techs.
The epoxy doesn't create any problems for us,as far as repairs would go. We remove it all the time when we find skewed or missing parts from our smt department.
We have a heater device we use to cause the epoxy to flow, or on very large pcb's we'll use alcohol to disolve it. A good tech bench can deal with this.
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RadioDaze
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I'll remember that next time I get a speeding ticket because the manufacturer of my car allowed it to go 120 MPH.
kc4jgc
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Most rigs I've seen advertised that can be modified for out of band have only been for CAP/MARS freqs, which can be found on either side of the 2m band. Whether those mods can actually do more than that I don't know since I'm not a CAP or MARS member and have no desire for OOBT.
IIRC, a REPUTABLE tech can make that mod only after seeing a MARS or CAP permit from the user.
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And once narrowbanding is done you WILL be causeing adjacent channel interference everytime you transmitt
... Seems like you have your head in the sand. They may have no control over what you buy as long as it is part 90 approved.
Nope it would fall on you and the license holder.
Yeah, and with mod sites out there anybody can be an at home radio modifier... and with narrowbanding seems kinda pointless to have ham gear that can be modded to OOBT
Ha! If they are the licensee, they are responsible for those who are authorized to use radios on their license. Unless of course they didn't authorize you...then you are committing a seperate violation.
Ha! I suggest you read some FCC Enforcement Bureau notices...The FCC WILL go after the person commiting the violation. Depending on the circumstances, they MIGHT go after the manufacturer as well, but they start with the person committing the actual violation.
Browse through EB - Field Issued Citations, Notices of Apparent Liability (NAL) and Notices of Violation (NOV)
Actually, the TM-271 is the only ham radio I've seen that will do everything it's suppose to for narrowbanding. Still, it's illegal to use it where he wants to. Why not just buy a commercial Kenwood like a TK-7302 or a TK-7160. I think they can be had new for between 300.00 and 400.00 dollars.At least with these you're legal and don't have to void the warranty because a mod was performed like the 271 would need.
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