Lithium ion batteries start fire on ship

[hill]

See the below link on lithium ion batteries starting a fire on the bridge of a cargo ship.

Going forward guess they were overseas Motorola radios. Also we can't know if they have been abused.

I mostly try to only charge my radios and other devices only when can be present during the charging.

Hopefully put in the right forum

Lithium-ion battery explosion leads to fire on oil tanker – Professional Mariner

professionalmariner.com

 

[prcguy]

We’re they OEM or cheap aftermarket batteries?

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

We’re they OEM or cheap aftermarket batteries?

There is a link to the complete report that suggests a Motorola Mototrbo portable and OEM lithium ion battery. $3MILLION damage in less than 30 minutes aboard a tanker with a half million barrels of crude oil.

 

[merlin]

Li-ion are usually 2 cells in series. good batteries have a balancing circuit and thermal sensor.
One cell exploding is obviously a cheap battery without cell balance.
Not that I haven't had OEM batteries get so hot they burn your hand. That I blame on a bad charger.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Could b a short circuit in the battery or a cell itself. Or a mechanical design flaw like the Samsung 7 where the cell did not have room to expand and shorted out. MH370 reportedly had a shipment of Lithium Ion battery packs OE/\/\ from a /\/\ajor manufacturer...

 

[hill]

If you read the complete report it discusses the battery that exploded having two cells and them separating with one burning flying away from the charger.

Guess will never know the complete story with ship's bridge being unmanned at the dock.

Sure a lot of damage in short time. Glad for crew it didn't occur at sea with destroying all navigation equipment on the bridge.

 

[bharvey2]

Sure a lot of damage in short time.

I've been around my share of light metal fires (e.g. Mg) They get exciting REALLY quick. I gotta admit, it's what makes me skittish about EV accidents.

Being on a ship during a lithium fire would not be my idea of a good time. Glad no injuries were reported.

 

[GlobalNorth]

OEM batteries in Tesla autos go poof rather frequently. Multiple residences around here have burned furiously when e-bikes go poof. Several cities around here have had huge multiple alarm fires involving class IX electric trucks at EV-T factories.

I don't trust lithium ion batteries in confined areas or near products that are flammable, inflammable, and or are incendiary.

 

[GlobalNorth]

Here's the PDF of the NTSB investigation. If you have a portable radio, cordless tools, or other devices run by Lithium Ion batteries, the report bears reading.

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MIR2323.pdf

 

[hill]

I make sure always home when charging anything. I have had TYT DMR radios used for ham for years with no issues, but it's always good to be safe.

The picture in the report shows a Motorola branded battery, but with being used by a overseas company who knows if it not a fake.

We had a townhouse burn down in early hours of Saturday this summer and it was started by a charging E-Bike. Sure did a lot of damage and think the home owners when home at the time.

Just wait until the government makes all driver electric cars to see how many fires occur from them.

 

[bharvey2]

I've had old batteries got unusually hot when charging. To me, usually a good indicator that its time to replace them. FYI: As far as Teslas and other EVs, They don't just have one battery. While there is a big one for the drive train, they have others around the body for various purposes as well.

 

[StoliRaz]

Just wait until the government makes all driver electric cars to see how many fires occur from them.

They won't, it goes against their agenda of promoting EVs over ICE vehicles.

If I had an e-bike I would only charge it outdoors. I try to only charge my power tool batteries when I'm present, although I'm starting to think I'll only charge those outdoors from now on too. Sure beats burning my house down.

 

[Falcon9h]

I babysit chargers, but this makes me paranoid... I have a house full of batteries, between radios, phones, tablets, high power flashlights and tools. I've heard talk of storing them in ammo boxes for safety but perhaps someone could elaborate on this.
The dogs are crated when we're not home and God forbid if we ever had a fire. There's zero chance I'd forgive myself. I unplug everything except the obvious (fridge etc.) when we're out.

 

[KK4JUG]

Here's the PDF of the NTSB investigation. If you have a portable radio, cordless tools, or other devices run by Lithium Ion batteries, the report bears reading.

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MIR2323.pdf

From this report, it seems as if a lithium-ion battery is almost a fire waiting to happen.

 

[MTS2000des]

Plethora of reports of E-bikes and other lithium based batteries going into thermal runaway, while it is not happening every minute, these batteries when they get into certain conditions, go into thermal runaway. Unlike other battery types (NiMH, NiCAD), they are much more challenging to put out as the chemical reaction occurring can reach high temps in milliseconds. Shhh..don't tell the EV crowd! They will gaslight you and condemn you. The reality is that all batteries are chemical reactions but lithium is a toxic and volatile substance and one that has to be kept tightly controlled.

 

[Falcon9h]

From what I've read, lipo batteries are the most dangerous. And no EV for me!

 

[Grunddiigg]

Imagine all of those lithium batteries aboard all of those cruise ships people are carrying around.

 

[dlwtrunked]

They won't, it goes against their agenda of promoting EVs over ICE vehicles.

If I had an e-bike I would only charge it outdoors. I try to only charge my power tool batteries when I'm present, although I'm starting to think I'll only charge those outdoors from now on too. Sure beats burning my house down.

There are fireproof "bags" and "boxes" sold online to store lithium batteries and even ones for charging particularly e-bike batteries.
Google fireproof lithium battery storage

 

[IAmSixNine]

Ive seen an uptick in ebike fires and other fires involving Li-Ion batteries in the NY area come through our system so hoping there isnt a spike during Christmas thru New Years with all the new toys charging and being used.

 

[StoliRaz]

There are fireproof "bags" and "boxes" sold online to store lithium batteries and even ones for charging particularly e-bike batteries.
Google fireproof lithium battery storage

I think I'll look into one of those to store my tool batteries in when they're not in use. I have a ton of batteries between tools, cell phone charging battery packs, etc. The good thing is I only buy brand name, non-knockoff batteries and chargers so I would think this would lessen the chance given that the craftsmanship of them is better. The Amazon no name knockoff stuff is pretty terrible. I once had a wireless charging pad melt under my phone on first use. It was that point where I said never again to knockoffs.