se
Member
Hello All.
Can anyone tell me why the London Fire Dept's HAZMAT Channel is encrypted?
Sheldon.
Can anyone tell me why the London Fire Dept's HAZMAT Channel is encrypted?
Sheldon.
London fire dept.
- Thread starter se
- Start date
- Status
unlisted
Member
HAZMAT also deals with CBRNE events... Only reason I can think of.
Muxlow
Super Secret
...Dont think its ENC
se
Member
Hi.
What is CBRNE? And it sure sounds like encryption on the HAZMAT channel
What is CBRNE? And it sure sounds like encryption on the HAZMAT channel
unlisted
Member
Chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and explosive.
(which all normally fall under HAZMAT for a FD) Still would not really explain why they are ENC thou... Even Toronto and York's HAZMAT (and EMS tac medics) don't use ENC..
(which all normally fall under HAZMAT for a FD) Still would not really explain why they are ENC thou... Even Toronto and York's HAZMAT (and EMS tac medics) don't use ENC..
se
Member
Thanks for the definition. And I hope Joe Fontana gets in there and puts a stop to all this secrecy ans nonsense by our Essential Services.
Sheldon.
Sheldon.
VE3JSO
Member
some secrecy for the police any ways is necessary but for the fire dept i don't see why they need to enc
Are you talking about the Hazmat talk group, or the old conventional Hazmat channel (866.8000). If you are referring to the conventional channel, that is no longer in use by LFD. It's been rolled into Site 4 of the EDACS system. Digital traffic you are hearing on there now would be LPS. I've filed a submission to remove that channel from the database.
se
Member
Oh then its likely LPS transmitting encrypted.
Sheldon.
Sheldon.
se
Member
I still say that London is still a small enough city that the LPS doesnt need encryption on there radio system 24/7, and Ive heard other peoples comments on here that Toronto isnt as weirded out as we are. Firefighters have a more dangerous job than the police do it seems.
Sheldon.
Sheldon.
VE3JSO
Member
in most cases i agree se but lps needs at least one talkgroup or freq enc for when they are dealing with youth because of the young offenders act or when there is a hostage situation so the hostage taker can't get a scanner and know what they are doing
Muxlow
Super Secret
Size of the town/city dont matter.
Windsor ENC, Sarnia ENC, Strathroy ENC, St.Thomas NOT enc, Chatham Kent Police Provoice NOT enc, Stratford... voice inver, Wingham NOT enc, Woodstock ENC, Hamilton NOT enc, Size of the town/city has nothign to do with why they want to be encrypted.
They dont want the public and news media people listning in and showing up to calls non stop.
Giving out peoples phone numbers, adresses and names. Prime listning for stalkers or people who are going to do a B&E or something. My guess is these police services think its mostly bad guys with scanners using it for aid in their crime and not just to listen in for something to do.
In toronto i herd 3 gun shot calls in 6 mins, I think they could use encryption so them bad guys cant hear K9 tracking them. Woodstock police, traffic stop on a old lady OH BOY such a reason for enc.. st.thomas/aylmer wide open vhf channel always chit chatting away with them about everything
Just up to the service if they want it or not. Kinda like with your cell phones. Its enc, would you rather everyone with a scanner to listen in to every phone convo you have?
Thats my 90 cents on the subject of encryption
Windsor ENC, Sarnia ENC, Strathroy ENC, St.Thomas NOT enc, Chatham Kent Police Provoice NOT enc, Stratford... voice inver, Wingham NOT enc, Woodstock ENC, Hamilton NOT enc, Size of the town/city has nothign to do with why they want to be encrypted.
They dont want the public and news media people listning in and showing up to calls non stop.
Giving out peoples phone numbers, adresses and names. Prime listning for stalkers or people who are going to do a B&E or something. My guess is these police services think its mostly bad guys with scanners using it for aid in their crime and not just to listen in for something to do.
In toronto i herd 3 gun shot calls in 6 mins, I think they could use encryption so them bad guys cant hear K9 tracking them. Woodstock police, traffic stop on a old lady OH BOY such a reason for enc.. st.thomas/aylmer wide open vhf channel always chit chatting away with them about everything
Just up to the service if they want it or not. Kinda like with your cell phones. Its enc, would you rather everyone with a scanner to listen in to every phone convo you have?
Thats my 90 cents on the subject of encryption
se
Member
It DOES matter the size of the city, as it is taxpayers within a city that pay for crap like that. Although I guess I agree that London Police should have one dedicated talkgroup for encryption (although I wonder if using encryption actually costs more on top of the trunking system in use?) for use in homicides and other very serious crimes. All other police radio traffic should be in the clear! And we all know that the Young Offenders Act or whatever its called isnt working due to the stupid nature of the crimes that young offenders are committing these days. a high ranking public official such as a police chief and or mayor can publish the details of a serious enough crime of a young offender if they want to and I think that should happen for every young offenders crime. One thing that would help the police is a city wide by-law banning the use of mobile scanners and smartphones with scanner apps in them-while committing any crime. And anyone who would violate this by-law would have to face a $100.000 fine and or a very long time in jail. I think all these things are common sense. Another thing I think that would benefit the LPD would be that they use their police hellicopter more, if they still have one to aid in traffic accidents and suspect apprehensions. My point being and bares repeating a city of London's size and surrounding smaller areas doesnt need full time encryption!
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry9700/5.0.0.862 Profile/MIDP-2.1 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/332)
LPS has a chopper now? Wow, we don't even have one in Toronto!
Encryption isn't going away. You'll only see it increase. Any Police Service who provisions a new system and doesn't demand encryption, is not doing any favours and isn't doing his/her homework.
LPS has a chopper now? Wow, we don't even have one in Toronto!
Encryption isn't going away. You'll only see it increase. Any Police Service who provisions a new system and doesn't demand encryption, is not doing any favours and isn't doing his/her homework.
LPS hasn't had their chopper for better part of 10 years now.... that pilot project dinna last too long.
.....and if you think back to the early 90's, before the trunked system, LPS had a 'privacy' channel they would switch to now and again that was encrypted in some manner. Chatham Police did too.... anytime something juicy had to go out, you would hear the dispatcher advising the units 'switch to privacy'.
And Stratford PS is P25 btw
And Stratford PS is P25 btw
se
Member
LPS has had a chopper for awhile now but as I was reminded people *****ed about the noise of it. But I think they should use it for aerially protecting and patrolling the city if they dont already do that. I'm sure there have been cities elsewhere that have turned off encryption. One other thing to look at is the fact that there are likely more people who DO NOT own a scanner in London than the people that do.
Sheldon.
Sheldon.
se
Member
You are right Chris. I remember that well too.
Ummm... I'm not sure where you are getting the info about the chopper from, but LPS does not have a helicopter. They did a test project from July 1st 1999 to June of 2000 and nothing has flown since.
You can read a nice in depth summary report of the project here: http://www.ialep.org/secure/library/Project_Links/tr-01-2001R2.pdf
If they do still physically have it, it's mothballed in a hangar somewhere.
You can read a nice in depth summary report of the project here: http://www.ialep.org/secure/library/Project_Links/tr-01-2001R2.pdf
If they do still physically have it, it's mothballed in a hangar somewhere.
Muxlow
Super Secret
Only choppers in london is 792 and 799 the ems choppers at LIA. And the RCMP heli is out there somedays. Other then that LPS ditched that chopper program long time ago. But maybe they have it hidden in their nice new garage.. but last time i was ever in there no sign on a chopper.. and nothing on their site about it, and im sure we would all know if they had one still.
- Status
