Looking for Hytera HR1062 Repeater Experiences

[emacs]

This is very useful information, what Hytera IPC repeaters where you using, assume RD98x? My ideal repeater of choice for some time has been the SLR which out of extensive experience I consider pretty much bullet proof. So from what you are saying I should be able to use SLRs with HP782/HM782 Hyteras in IPS configuration. That would be and ideal scenario as the SLRs are currently in stock, as are both Hytera subscriber units.

Correct, I was using two RD982i repeaters set up for IP Multisite Connect. Motorola XPR 3500es (with IPSC entitlement) and Kenwood NX-3300s roamed across both repeaters without issue.

Similarly, we have a Motorola IPSC system consisting of four SLR 5700 repeaters. Customer has a bunch of XPR 3500e portables, but with Motorola's constant price increases, they wanted to demo something more affordable. We set up a Hytera HP602 and Kenwood NX-3300 for them to try, and both worked great, no trouble roaming across that system.

But I think the repeater would have to get the IPSC licence activatived first which is not cheap, as I believe this one did not yet include it. Need to double check on that, as of recent I was told that all SLRs are now being shipped with IPSC already activated at no additional cost.

Indeed, new SLR repeaters (at least in North America) come with IPSC standard. I wonder if updating to newer firmware might unlock IPSC without an entitlement? Not sure on that...

 

[tropiradio]

I was just checking my SLR codeplug, and indeed it has IPSC enabled. In the HP782 it appears to be enabled as well, its called "XPT Trunking".

So on the SLR, first I added a new channel and selected Capacity Plus Voice, entered both R/T test frequencies and for now left the rest of the channel parameters on their default. The only other similar channel type that can be created was Capacity Plus Data, along with the usual Analog/Digital/ and DMM.

Next went to General/General Settings and at the bottom Voting section had to change the selected mode from "Normal Repeater" which was being shown in red/invalid to "Digital Satellite Receiver" which is the only other option there.

Then at General/Link Establishment where the default "None" option was being shown in red, had to change it to "Peer". The only other option "Master" was also shown in red.

Finally at General/MOTOTRBO Link I had to check the checkbox for "IP Site Connect MOTOTRBO Link Site" as it was also being shown in red, and again left all other parameters in that section at their default settings.

This seems to have taken care of any validation errors, but not sure I might have missed anything crucial at this point just to do a test with a single IPSC repeater, no IP networking yet, and only one subscriber (Hytera) radio. Hopefully one of my XPR portables has also IPSC enabled so I can actually test comms between two radios, although the Hytera radio being able to access the SLR would be the main point to get this test going.

EDIT: My XPR7550e also has IPSC licence activated so will now have two radios to test.

 

[emacs]

XPT is not the same as IP Site Connect, though it does also support roaming. XPT is a Hytera-proprietary trunking system. Capacity Plus is a Motorola-proprietary trunking system.

In the HP782, you want to set up your channels like so:

"IP Multi-site Connect" will allow the radio to roam between sites, and "Auto Start Roam" will allow it to roam automatically without requiring user input. Your roam list should contain one channel for each repeater in the system.

If you have just one SLR to start with, you'll want to make that a "normal" (not voting) master repeater.
Under General Settings/Voting, don't set it to a satellite receiver. A receiver won't repeat anything, it'll just try to send the received data to the master repeater.

Under Link Establishment, set "Link Type" to Master.

Within the channel, make sure "IP Site Connect (Repeater)" is on. This can be either or both timeslots.


To test that the radio actually roams properly, you can add two channels. One will match the frequency and color code of the repeater, and the other can be any random frequency. Turn on the radio, select the channel with the random frequency, and try to transmit. Since it doesn't match the repeater, the radio should try to roam, and land on the other channel that does match the repeater.

 

[tropiradio]

XPT is not the same as IP Site Connect, though it does also support roaming. XPT is a Hytera-proprietary trunking system. Capacity Plus is a Motorola-proprietary trunking system.

In the HP782, you want to set up your channels like so:
View attachment 152999
"IP Multi-site Connect" will allow the radio to roam between sites, and "Auto Start Roam" will allow it to roam automatically without requiring user input. Your roam list should contain one channel for each repeater in the system.

If you have just one SLR to start with, you'll want to make that a "normal" (not voting) master repeater.
Under General Settings/Voting, don't set it to a satellite receiver. A receiver won't repeat anything, it'll just try to send the received data to the master repeater.
View attachment 153001
Under Link Establishment, set "Link Type" to Master.
View attachment 153000
Within the channel, make sure "IP Site Connect (Repeater)" is on. This can be either or both timeslots.
View attachment 153002

To test that the radio actually roams properly, you can add two channels. One will match the frequency and color code of the repeater, and the other can be any random frequency. Turn on the radio, select the channel with the random frequency, and try to transmit. Since it doesn't match the repeater, the radio should try to roam, and land on the other channel that does match the repeater.

Thanks again for this very useful information.
Yesterday was also watching some Moto training videos on setting up IPSC so now should have both the SLR and 7550e codeplugs ready to write, and will follow your instructions to get the HP782 going. One thing I did not realize is that IPSC is still conventional digital, which makes things much easier to understand and to setup.

 

[tropiradio]

XPT is not the same as IP Site Connect, though it does also support roaming. XPT is a Hytera-proprietary trunking system. Capacity Plus is a Motorola-proprietary trunking system.

In the HP782, you want to set up your channels like so:
View attachment 152999
"IP Multi-site Connect" will allow the radio to roam between sites, and "Auto Start Roam" will allow it to roam automatically without requiring user input. Your roam list should contain one channel for each repeater in the system.

If you have just one SLR to start with, you'll want to make that a "normal" (not voting) master repeater.
Under General Settings/Voting, don't set it to a satellite receiver. A receiver won't repeat anything, it'll just try to send the received data to the master repeater.
View attachment 153001
Under Link Establishment, set "Link Type" to Master.
View attachment 153000
Within the channel, make sure "IP Site Connect (Repeater)" is on. This can be either or both timeslots.
View attachment 153002

To test that the radio actually roams properly, you can add two channels. One will match the frequency and color code of the repeater, and the other can be any random frequency. Turn on the radio, select the channel with the random frequency, and try to transmit. Since it doesn't match the repeater, the radio should try to roam, and land on the other channel that does match the repeater.

I'm trying to program the HP782, and I created a new zone and added a new digital channel to it. But on the new channel options as you pictured above, both the IP Multi-site Connect and the Auto Start Roam checkboxes are greyed out. Also, if I open the select for the ScanList/Roam List, it only shows me the Scan List items. If I go down and open Roam Lists, I see there is the default list called "Roam List 1", but when I open it, all the Add, Remove, Up and Down buttons are also greyed out, so can't do anything there to modify that list.

Not sure what am I missing here. I can't add any channels to the Roam list, and I cannot create a IPS channel because I assume as long as I have not selected a Roam list, those two relevant checkboxes that are greyed out will not become active.

I am trying to find out if this radio really has IPC enabled, but when I go to Radio Information it does not show any license information, only the usual radio info, serial, firmware, model, etc. In the CPS menu under Tools I see "Feature Control License Register" and "License Control Apply" but this last item is greyed out. Clicking on the first one opens up a prompt that wants to find a zip file.

BTW got the SLR and the 7550e communicating fine on IPSC as programmed, well at least I am able to key the repeater with the portable and repeater beacon goes off every 60 seconds, etc. Until I get a second radio working not much else I can do, although I wonder if I can receive the signal from my 7550e through the repeater by just programming a regular digital channel that matches group settings and the repeater transmit frequency.

 

[tropiradio]

I just came across the Common/Feature Control page in the CPS. At the bottom there is a Feature Check button and when I click there it resizes the window and seems to update the information. There are some checked fields, and a few are not, but they are all shown greyed out, so read-only as expected. Among the features that i would think are relevant to IPC there is a checkbox that says "Roaming" which is shown as checked. On top the Conventional field shows "Analog&Digital Mode".

The only fields that are not checked, from top to bottom, are: Digital Trunking, Full Encrypt private, Full Encrypt Standard, and Recorder. Everything else has a check mark in it. I also just spoke with my Hytera dealer and they said all Hytera radios come with IPC mode included as standard.

So it seems I am definitively missing something.

 

[dazey77]

IP multisite will appear if the CPS thinks you are connecting to a repeater. If you create a new channel it will start with a Tx and RX frequency the same (hence not a repeater). If you change either tx or Rx so that there is a split, it thinks its a repeater and opens up repeater functions.

I'm trying to program the HP782, and I created a new zone and added a new digital channel to it. But on the new channel options as you pictured above, both the IP Multi-site Connect and the Auto Start Roam checkboxes are greyed out.

 

[dazey77]

Roaming is for going between two matching channels on two repeaters been a while since I set up roaming but I guess this is what you are missing on the roaming side

 

[tropiradio]

IP multisite will appear if the CPS thinks you are connecting to a repeater. If you create a new channel it will start with a Tx and RX frequency the same (hence not a repeater). If you change either tx or Rx so that there is a split, it thinks its a repeater and opens up repeater functions.

Yes that did it, after putting in both frequencies of the repeater the IP Multi-site Connect checkbox became active. I was then able to add this channel to the Roam list and now I was able to select the Roam list on the newly created channel. Programming in process.

Thank you!

 

[dazey77]

glad to have been of help!

 

[tropiradio]

Roaming is for going between two matching channels on two repeaters been a while since I set up roaming but I guess this is what you are missing on the roaming side

I created two channels, as Emacs suggested, one that has the repeater frequencies, and another just a dummy so I can test roaming with a single repeater. Added both channels to the roaming list, and also added both to the zone. So theoretically when manually selecting the dummy channel and pressing PTT the radio should then roam to the other valid channel with the correct repeater frequencies.

 

[tropiradio]

Ok comms works fine both ways when the Moto and Hytera radios are set to their respective valid channel, but must be still missing something as when I select the dummy channel no automatic roaming over to the valid channel happens. I tried this with both radios, seems like I misunderstood something about this test, or still need something else to be set.

EDIT: forgot to check "Auto Start Roam" in the HP782, and now it works, selecting the dummy channel and pressing PTT triggers the roam action and the call gets through after a brief delay. Also when on the dummy channel the indicator LED blinks yellow until I press PTT or switch back to the valid channel and the next beacon is received.

Still figuring out what I missed on the 7550e to get it to do the same. In that radio I put both valid and dummy channels into the channel pool, and also into the zone. Checking that now...

 

[tropiradio]

Quick update still not able to get the XPR7550e to roam as the HP782 does now. I checked the channel parameters of the XPR and there is no "Auto Start Roam"in the channel parameters or anything similar which is what I had missed on the 782. Even tough the Roam list is not being used as part of the IPSC channel setup (as per Motorola training video) I now added both channels to a Roam list and then enabled that list on both channels assigned to the zone and channel pool. Still no roam.

I also checked the Roam properties and the (only) checkbox field there named "Active Site Scan" is checked. Since I have both the dummy and the valid channel in both the zone and in the Channel Pool, a total of 4, also added all those 4 channels to the roam list.

 

[tropiradio]

Further update: got the XPR7550e to roam as well. Had to enable the roam list on both channels (valid and dummy) and add to the roam list the valid channel that is in the zone, and the dummy channel that is in the channel pool. I though had done that earlier but something seems to have been mixed up but all good now. As I understood, one puts the main access channel intended to be used by the customer in the zone, and then adds all the other system channels into the channel pool only, so the customer cannot select those channels manually but roam can still find them.

Now hoping to get another SLR to networking two of them and try a wide area network on my desk. BTW internal fans now never stop churning, with that beacon transmit coming up every 60 seconds there is not enough timeout for the fans to ever stop.

Thanks again to everyone that provided helpful information to get this setup to work.

 

[TR-613]

We've got a couple fielded for transportation companies that have been running without issue for a few months now. Both are VHF DMR single site systems. Repeaters are running into 100W PAs and use the battery backup circuit (integrated BBU/PSU is a nice upgrade from the RD982i). Performance has been good, receivers sensitive down to 0.15µv, no issues with heat dissipation despite the small 1U chassis.

One unit is also running in a back-to-back config. Repeater's hooked up to an HM782 UHF mobile via Hytera's POA147 cable, so that the new VHF system could interoperate with an existing UHF system. Only passes audio back and forth, no DMR IDs or other signalling/data, but works well enough for what the user needs.

Are you Using Crescend Power Amps?
Im hearing that many Power amps have keying issues on DMR specifically.

 

[speedway_navigator]

XPT is single channel trunking. If 2 users are assigned to time slot 1 only 1group can talk even though slot 2 is open. XPT will detect slot 2 is open and signal the other radios to use slot 2 while 1 is busy.

 

[alphaprime]

Are you Using Crescend Power Amps?
Im hearing that many Power amps have keying issues on DMR specifically.

I have several RD982 and HR1062 running DMR with Crescend amplifiers, no problems at all.

 

[VK6NCB]

I have had lots of issues with Hytera repeaters recently.

couldnt get the RD982 to link via IP network (needs to be RD982S, of which we only have 2 on site, and we need 4)
and then we had issues with the HR1062 going deaf in the heat - once the case hits approx 42C the recieve side will no longer wake the repeater, though a signal coming in via the network will be repeated.
I have sent 2 HR1062 back to Hytera for further testing.

 

[speedway_navigator]

couldn't get the RD982 to link via IP network (needs to be RD982S, of which we only have 2 on site, and we need 4)
and then we had issues with the HR1062 going deaf in the heat - once the case hits approx 42C the receive side will no longer wake the repeater,

does the case hit 42° from ambient temps where the repeater is or from internally generated heat? The spec on the RD982 is 60C which surprised me, I don't have a dealer portal account now so I don't have H series manuals.
Do the HRs talk to each other on an IP network? That's really weird, like the ports are not matching.

 

[VK6NCB]

does the case hit 42° from ambient temps where the repeater is or from internally generated heat? The spec on the RD982 is 60C which surprised me, I don't have a dealer portal account now so I don't have H series manuals.
Do the HRs talk to each other on an IP network? That's really weird, like the ports are not matching.

the HR1062 and the RD982S will happily talk across an IP network.
and its the ambient temp. they are in solar powered trailers on hilltops around a minesite, we had a week of days just before christmas where it hit 44C every day (in the shade, would have probably been a little hotter in the vented cabinets we house the repeaters in.

havent had any issues with RD982/982S or SLR5500 in the same cabinets.