Luzerne County P25

[matt183100]

I know it’s been pushed back to September now

 

[One13Truck]

That’s good. It made no sense to have the cutover right before 4th of July. One of the busier call volume days of the year. I guess it would’ve been a good stress test for the system though.
I’ve been too busy to get around the firehouse to ask about the deadline and the County site still hasn’t posted the June update. So good to hear it’s been pushed back. Again.

 

[cpg178]

1025 has not been active as much lately, but this evening radio ID 70016 has been making alot of Encrypted Calls on TG14. In the past its just been a simulcast of 157.450 to 1025. Maybe they are finally doing some testing

 

[One13Truck]

1025 seems to be very hit or miss again. Some days or nights it’s on for hours at a time. Then it goes days without being active. Other days it randomly pops on for a few minutes then stops again.
14 and 15 seem to also pop up quite a bit but also just as randomly as 1025. Always encrypted (no comment). Not much else so far though.

 

[cpg178]

1025 seems to be very hit or miss again. Some days or nights it’s on for hours at a time. Then it goes days without being active. Other days it randomly pops on for a few minutes then stops again.
14 and 15 seem to also pop up quite a bit but also just as randomly as 1025. Always encrypted (no comment). Not much else so far though.

Im going to assume that 1025 is only active when someone is affiliated to the talkgroup or they enable a patch manually on the console. Current radios that have been issued to the field are not allowed to affiliate to the system yet (as of 2 weeks ago). So unless one of the people testing tunes to the TG it most likely wont be active. Since 14 and 15 are encrypted who knows what's going on, but given how short the transmissions show on SDR Trunk I am guessing they are doing testing.

 

[cpg178]

About 45 min ago Radio 70017 got an acceptance to affiliate on 1025, and since all dispatches have been coming across. I have seen this ID before, but am seeing some new ones today: 167002, and 1205297. I would like to use unitrunker, but where I am the signal doesn't come through well, I am surpised SDRTrunk works as well as it does.

 

[One13Truck]

Hhhhmmm… Those two ID’s are new to me. Maybe we’re finally going to be in the final stages of testing now. Lately all I’ve seen while working was 14 or 15 active but big E’d. And the ever random 1025. It’s been off and on all afternoon again and bock on now listening to a fire alarm box West Pittston Station 150.

 

[cpg178]

There have been a ton of radio IDs in the 120xxxx to 219xxxx range that try to connect everyday but are denied affiliation. My guess is that these are subscriber units. 700xx series radios seem to be radio techs as these are the ones who are transmitting on the 2 digit talk groups but also affiliating on 1025, which has been active for over 24 hours straight now per the logs.

 

[HM1529]

Just spit balling here, but could it be possible they're Columbia County and PSP radios that have been cross programmed to operate on the new Luzerne system? Columbia fire/ems units do run there for mutual aid. Some systems will reuse the same RID if there are no conflicts with their own RIDS. I suppose we will find out soon enough when the system goes live.

 

[One13Truck]

Just spit balling here, but could it be possible they're Columbia County and PSP radios that have been cross programmed to operate on the new Luzerne system? Columbia fire/ems units do run there for mutual aid. Some systems will reuse the same RID if there are no conflicts with their own RIDS. I suppose we will find out soon enough when the system goes live.

Hhhmmm…. That’s a possibility for state and Columbia in the 120XXX range. I’m too far away to get Columbia so I can’t grab any of their ID’s but all of the game commission ID’s I’ve grabbed on the state system are in the 123XXX range.

In the past I’ve seen 165XXX and 167XXX ID’s occasionally key up which I assume were Pittston City or Plains IDs just based on the horrible 1950’s numbering system the county uses that I won’t use. But I guess we’ll see soon enough.

 

[cpg178]

I threw the WB Site for the state system in UniTrunker last night just to get the basic information for it, and what do you know, those 120xxx ids appear to be trying to hit the state system.

Not sure what the WROES5278 means, but that started showing up yesterday after I updated to V2 of unitrunker. Never showed on V1 or on SDRTRUNK

 

[cpg178]

I wonder if there is some sort of plan to allow state units to use the Luzerne System for extra channels/coverage and also the other way around for Luzerne units to use the state system? I know on the luzernep25 site they do state that all radios need to conform to the Starnet requirements.

Per the Starnet wiki

• 1234706 PGC NE Unit 526B Luzerne
• 2194240 Columbia Co on TG 20034 ECEN
• 1205455 PSP N1 Unit on TG 10179 LANC33

 

[maus92]

I threw the WB Site for the state system in UniTrunker last night just to get the basic information for it, and what do you know, those 120xxx ids appear to be trying to hit the state system.

Not sure what the WROES5278 means, but that started showing up yesterday after I updated to V2 of unitrunker. Never showed on V1 or on SDRTRUNK
View attachment 124044

Looks like a mistyped / misconfigured call sign, or a combo of WROE527 / WROE528

 

[maus92]

Looks like the county is using unused paging / mobile phone channels for channel resources for the P25 system:

https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsEntry/attachments/attachmentViewRD.jsp?applType=search&fileKey=2127678450&attachmentKey=21298698&attachmentInd=applAttach

 

[GTR8000]

I wonder if there is some sort of plan to allow state units to use the Luzerne System for extra channels/coverage and also the other way around for Luzerne units to use the state system? I know on the luzernep25 site they do state that all radios need to conform to the Starnet requirements.

Per the Starnet wiki

• 1234706 PGC NE Unit 526B Luzerne
• 2194240 Columbia Co on TG 20034 ECEN
• 1205455 PSP N1 Unit on TG 10179 LANC33

While there may be an ISSI link between the systems at some point, what you are seeing in Unitrunker is indicative of subscribers trying to roam from one system to another when there is no ISSI link in place, or when there are restrictions on which assets are permitted to roam. The key here is the Denied action followed by the WACN-SysID of the STARNet system.

The reason it's happening so often on the Luzerne system is that 161.850 is the control channel for the north cell, and that same frequency is used as a control channel at three STARNet sites. If the STARNet subscribers are setup for Inter-WACN Roaming, they are going to be fairly aggressive in trying to roam to just about any P25 system that uses a control channel frequency that is in their codeplug, which 161.850 would certainly be.

 

[cpg178]

July Update was just posted: Luzerne County P25 Project Newsletter-July 2022

Looks like we should be seeing a increase in activity starting next week

 

[One13Truck]

Hopefully. Things have gone silent in the meantime. I haven’t even heard much on the 14, 15, or 1025 since last week.

 

[cpg178]

Lots of data calls today from 165xxx and 148xx IDs for long periods of time. Also seeing the same IDs keying up on various 10xx TGs, long enough to record an audio snippet but nothing useful out of it.

 

[ra7850]

Anything new here with this? Very quiet in here, as well as on these frequencies.

 

[cpg178]

Anything new here with this? Very quiet in here, as well as on these frequencies.

Testing is sporadic so far