Macomb County Simulcast Sites?

[iMONITOR]

I'm trying to verify the information that I currently have pertaining to the new Macomb County Simulcast sites.

There are nine sites dedicated to this system?

They are all sharing the same frequency assignments?
866.06250 866.13750 866.18750 866.37500 866.42500 866.43750 866.76250 866.90000 866.98750 867.38750 867.48750 867.67500 867.73750 867.95000 867.98750 868.26250* 868.98750*

They are all active at this time?

They are all independent from the MPSCS sites that existed previously?

I'm showing one of these nine sites located in Mt. Clemens. Is that site different from the MPSCS one they recently shut down?

Are there any other MPSCS sites that also carry 100% of the MC Simulcast system?

Sorry if this is redundant. I've looked back though all the threads and there are several contradictions, and a lot of confusion. I'm trying to get this sorted out prior to a big re-programming project.

Thanks!

 

[bigbluemsp]

Are there any other MPSCS sites that also carry 100% of the MC Simulcast system?

As per my other post Im picking up every thing that is 800 P25 other then Warren PD out of Macomb County off the Richmond and Lakeport Towers

 

[seamusg]

I'm trying to verify the information that I currently have pertaining to the new Macomb County Simulcast sites.

There are nine sites dedicated to this system?

They are all sharing the same frequency assignments?
866.06250 866.13750 866.18750 866.37500 866.42500 866.43750 866.76250 866.90000 866.98750 867.38750 867.48750 867.67500 867.73750 867.95000 867.98750 868.26250* 868.98750*

They are all active at this time?

They are all independent from the MPSCS sites that existed previously?

I'm showing one of these nine sites located in Mt. Clemens. Is that site different from the MPSCS one they recently shut down?

Are there any other MPSCS sites that also carry 100% of the MC Simulcast system?

Sorry if this is redundant. I've looked back though all the threads and there are several contradictions, and a lot of confusion. I'm trying to get this sorted out prior to a big re-programming project.

Thanks!

Bill remember how the system works:
1. It is a subsystem of MPSCS so if a ridio on site 202 is on the TG for Macomb Dispatch and a radio on site 219 also is also on the Macomb Dispatch TG, both will carry it. That also holds true for MSP, they can at times be heard on Romeo, Richomnd and Macomb at the same time. The site that was shut down is 210 which is just down the road from the Macomb site at the jail (1/4 mile). The Macomb subsystem is not independent from MPSCS.

 

[iMONITOR]

Bill remember how the system works:
1. It is a subsystem of MPSCS so if a ridio on site 202 is on the TG for Macomb Dispatch and a radio on site 219 also is also on the Macomb Dispatch TG, both will carry it. That also holds true for MSP, they can at times be heard on Romeo, Richomnd and Macomb at the same time. The site that was shut down is 210 which is just down the road from the Macomb site at the jail (1/4 mile). The Macomb subsystem is not independent from MPSCS.

I understand that TG's can be heard on other sites. My question was, "Are there any other MPSCS sites outside of the nine sites dedicated to the Simulcast subsystem, that also carry 100% of the MC Simulcast system?" To clarify this, bigbluemsp, and some others have indicated that even if you do not program the frequencies for the Macomb County Simulcast system, and just monitor other sites in the area, such as Richmond, Lakeport, possibly Romeo, that you will still hear 100% of the radio traffic (all of the time) being handled on the MC Simulcast system. With the little bit of experimenting I've done, I'm inclined to believe it. I think I'm hearing 100% of the Macomb County traffic on the Romeo site tower, all of the time. I'm asking if anyone has can confirm, or disprove this.

I also am aware that the Macomb County Simulcast system is not independent from MPSCS. My question was, "They are all independent from the MPSCS sites that existed previously?" To clarify this, I was asking if all nine towers were new, or if they had re-programmed any of the preexisting tower sites because some were already in the area, for MPSCS. A good example would be something like the Mt. Clemens site. Rather than shut it down, it may have been possible to just reprogram it for the simulcast system. So I was wondering if that had actually been done with any of the other sites that previously existed prior to the MC Simulcast system coming on line.

And I'm still trying to confirm the following:

There are nine sites dedicated to this system? (Macomb County Simulcast)

They are all active at this time? (All nine of the new tower sites)

They are all sharing the same frequency assignments? (Again, refering to the new nine sites)
866.06250 866.13750 866.18750 866.37500 866.42500 866.43750 866.76250 866.90000 866.98750 867.38750 867.48750 867.67500 867.73750 867.95000 867.98750 868.26250* 868.98750* (I think I know this answer is yes, just checking to see if any changes had been made.)

Does anyone know?

Thanks!

 

[iMONITOR]

This morning I locked my PRO-2096 on the Macomb County simulcast site 219 control channel frequency. Then I ran PRO96COM. It is showing that the following sites are connected to Macomb's simulcast site 219:

202 ROMEO
204 RICHMOND
206 NORTHVILLE
701 DETROIT SIMULCAST

So would this indicate that monitoring any of the above sites should be carrying all radio traffic from Macomb's site 219?

Thanks!

 

[seamusg]

This morning I locked my PRO-2096 on the Macomb County simulcast site 219 control channel frequency. Then I ran PRO96COM. It is showing that the following sites are connected to Macomb's simulcast site 219:

202 ROMEO
204 RICHMOND
206 NORTHVILLE
701 DETROIT SIMULCAST

So would this indicate that monitoring any of the above sites should be carrying all radio traffic from Macomb's site 219?

Thanks!

No that is not what it is saying, that's the neighbor list. That is what is used by the radios on the system when they go out of range of the site. It give's them the new CC to use. Try it the other way and look at site 701, it will show 219 connected, but you don't hear 701 traffic on 219. The connected shows that those are the sites that 219 can talk to. There are links between nearby sites, and that is showing the status of the links. It should have also shown site 210 as failed, since it is no longer on the air.It only means that scanning those sites you may hear some traffic from 219. I hear Shelby quite a bit on both 202 and 219 at the same time, but not always. To hear traffic from 219 on another tower a radio on that TG must go to another site. I've used my PRO96 in Genesee and get some of Genesee's traffic on Holly, but not all of it. I can get Genesee Co. FD South Disp at times on the Romeo site, but never get the FG TG. There's a newspaper in Fenton that has a live feed of Genesee Co. FD, that I have used. Also Genesee simulcast site shows Romeo as a neighbor, but I only get a small amount of traffic from Genesee on the Romeo site. The way I see it is one of the VFD's for Grand Blanc Twp, it far enough south to be on the Romeo site, but the connection disapears when he leaves.

 

[iMONITOR]

No that is not what it is saying, that's the neighbor list. That is what is used by the radios on the system when they go out of range of the site. It give's them the new CC to use. Try it the other way and look at site 701, it will show 219 connected, but you don't hear 701 traffic on 219. The connected shows that those are the sites that 219 can talk to. There are links between nearby sites, and that is showing the status of the links. It should have also shown site 210 as failed, since it is no longer on the air.It only means that scanning those sites you may hear some traffic from 219. I hear Shelby quite a bit on both 202 and 219 at the same time, but not always. To hear traffic from 219 on another tower a radio on that TG must go to another site. I've used my PRO96 in Genesee and get some of Genesee's traffic on Holly, but not all of it. I can get Genesee Co. FD South Disp at times on the Romeo site, but never get the FG TG. There's a newspaper in Fenton that has a live feed of Genesee Co. FD, that I have used. Also Genesee simulcast site shows Romeo as a neighbor, but I only get a small amount of traffic from Genesee on the Romeo site. The way I see it is one of the VFD's for Grand Blanc Twp, it far enough south to be on the Romeo site, but the connection disapears when he leaves.

Yes I did notice site 210 was listed, but not connected. I knew that was the old Mt. Clemens site they had shut down, and that is why I didn't mention it.

I'm going to do some more testing, but honestly, at least for now, it appears to me that at least the Romeo 202 site is carrying all the same traffic that is on the Macomb 219 site. Steve in Washington is getting 100% of the Macomb 219 traffic on the Richmond 204 site. And bigbluemsp is hearing it all on Richmond 204, and Lakeport 203 site.

 

[iMONITOR]

I have dedicated my PRO-2096 to Macomb County, programmed as follows:

Macomb County Simulcast 219: 868.9000 868.2685
Dummy Freq Inserted between
Romeo 202: 868.9875 868.1625 868.5125
Dummy Freq Inserted between
Richmond 204: 868.9500 868.4500​

Red is primary control channel, blue is alternate control channel(s). I have only TG's within Macomb County programmed in this particular scanner.

Even with my Yagi pointed South, the radio favors the Romeo site, and receives all of the Macomb County system from that site.


Yet if I L/O Romeo, and Richmond, then Macomb County works fine.

Any ideas why this is happening?

 

[K8PBX]

I have 868.9875 as the primary for Macomb 219 and 868.1625 as the primary for Romeo 202...

 

[iMONITOR]

I have 868.9875 as the primary for Macomb 219 and 868.1625 as the primary for Romeo 202...

Sorry guys! I really messed up my post (2.5 hourse sleep). My radio is programmed correctly, I just screwed up the post.

 

[iMONITOR]

OK, I've observed this:

When Macomb County Sheriff broadcasts, it appears it is repeated on the Richmond tower, Michigan State Police, District 2, TG2011, REGLEIN2.

Anyone else getting this?

 

[bigbluemsp]

OK, I've observed this:

When Macomb County Sheriff broadcasts, it appears it is repeated on the Richmond tower, Michigan State Police, District 2, TG2011, REGLEIN2.

Anyone else getting this?

Yes 2313 was patched into MSP D2 LEIN (2011) at MSP Station #20 (Dispatch) in Detroit.

MSP doesn't use the LEIN Channel so Macomb and MSP agreed to patch the tg's together.

 

[hazard78]

patched

i know first hand these are patched due to a programming issue!