Missing CLMRN talk groups

[PJsBuys]

When Conn. switched over to it's current (CLMRN) system, several talk groups which were active in the old 800mz system are no longer listed in RR. Some of them are "Governor Security", "Major Crime Squad" (three TGs), "Statewide Narcotic Task Force" (three TGs) and "Casino Unit" (two TGs). Can someone tell me where they are now?

 

[brndnstffrd]

When Conn. switched over to it's current (CLMRN) system, several talk groups which were active in the old 800mz system are no longer listed in RR. Some of them are "Governor Security", "Major Crime Squad" (three TGs), "Statewide Narcotic Task Force" (three TGs) and "Casino Unit" (two TGs). Can someone tell me where they are now?

Many are listed in the Wiki for the system, but not in the actual DB. I am guessing this is due to them being unable to be confirmed due to encryption, since the policy for the DB is to only accept confirmed submissions. They were calculated using the conversion formula to know what the talkgroup's new numbers would be, but until someone can confirm it, I am guessing they will remain in the wiki.

 

[mkt853]

Yep. This is true of many of the new systems which are using more and more encryption. Can't confirm what you can't hear, therefore the channels/talk groups might as well not exist from a scanning standpoint. Have that problem with the new Greenwich system which lost a bunch of channels when the new P25P2 system replaced the old digital system last year. Now you just see random talk groups flash from time to time with no idea what they are, though there are a couple of ways to get some clue of what they are even though you never hear the voice traffic. First, most systems assign the talk group IDs systematically. For example, you might have talk groups 571xx for police, 572xx for fire, 573xx for public works, and so on. Second, if you track the radio IDs, it'll give you a clue as to who is using the channel. For example, on encrypted talk groups, you can still see the radio IDs that are using the talk group, so if you listen to the unencrypted channels enough and follow the radio IDs, you'll at least be able to figure out what department is using the encrypted channel.

 

[W1KNE]

Second, if you track the radio IDs, it'll give you a clue as to who is using the channel. For example, on encrypted talk groups, you can still see the radio IDs that are using the talk group, so if you listen to the unencrypted channels enough and follow the radio IDs, you'll at least be able to figure out what department is using the encrypted channel.

That''s true, but even then, that's a best guess scenario only. Without knowing what changed with the transition from one to the other, you still can't be 100% positive. If we get encrypted TG DB submissions, they are usually rejected based on the lack of ability to actually hear what traffic goes through the TG. And encrypted TGs in the DB are useless anyways, unless you want to put them in to hold onto hope someday they go unencrypted, which is unlikely to happen.

 

[darkness975]

That''s true, but even then, that's a best guess scenario only. Without knowing what changed with the transition from one to the other, you still can't be 100% positive. If we get encrypted TG DB submissions, they are usually rejected based on the lack of ability to actually hear what traffic goes through the TG. And encrypted TGs in the DB are useless anyways, unless you want to put them in to hold onto hope someday they go unencrypted, which is unlikely to happen.

Some have rescinded it but most don't.

 

[RESQ766]

Here is the link to the CLMRN Unidentified Talkgroups wiki page. Maybe that'll help you out. Connecticut Land Mobile Radio Network (CLMRN) Unknown Talkgroups - The RadioReference Wiki