Mystery Box on utility pole

[SCPD]

What makes me ponder and as I am sure it does another is what is his big worry if he has nothing to worry about it. Too much alex jones, prescriptions, and self isolation. If it isn't that then he just told on himself. You would be surprised when something irrelevant for one has brings out the guilty telling on self saying look at me. In any case he should pat self on back for the criminals will look to him for busy body information to report every move in the problem area. If there was any investigation regarding something other then himself he has damaged it if not destroyed it. Another hey mom look at me I'm on tv and Alex jones.

 

[Hans13]

Yes they did get an update as to that it belongs to ATF. I just posted on the story wondering aloud if it was a Shot Spotter, I do not know if those are owned/run by ATF or the local PD? Either way, wouldn't one feel MORE safe if law enforcement were surveilling the area? I mean, people complain they don't get enough police in their area, then when they do- they complain.

Guy is a troublemaker in my book. Frankly I wish he would have kept quiet on the issue, IMO.
Mystery solved! Box on Phoenix utility pole belongs to ATF - ABC15 Arizona

Sheepish.

 

[Hans13]

There are all kinds of cameras out there. How many businesses and homes have cameras installed. It shouldn't be that big a deal.

If a service station gets robbed, the police will check the station's cameras, the convenience store across the street, the bakery two doors down and whatever others they can find. I'm reasonably sure that not a single business there got the public's approval before they installed their cameras.

Next time, the ATF should disguise it as a transformer.

When it is government, it IS a big deal.

I start sneezing when I'm exposed to too much wool so I might have to step out of this thread.

 

[rivardj]

When it is government, it IS a big deal.

I start sneezing when I'm exposed to too much wool so I might have to step out of this thread.

Me also. Some folks just don't get it. I used to laugh about people and their tin foil hats, not so much any more.

Listen to the best podcast in the universe (No Agenda Show) to learn what is really going on.

 

[Hans13]

What makes me ponder and as I am sure it does another is what is his big worry if he has nothing to worry about it.

Some of us don't prefer to live in a police/surveillance state and guard our liberty rather jealously.

 

[KK4JUG]

When it is government, it IS a big deal.

I appreciate your concern but it all photographs the same stuff even in residential areas. People have their own cameras mounted all around their houses.

 

[Hans13]

I appreciate your concern but it all photographs the same stuff even in residential areas. People have their own cameras mounted all around their houses.

Persons have rights, governments have only privilege. Agents of government operate under that privilege in the course of their duties. There is a world of difference between cameras people put up and those governments do.

Rights versus privileges aside, the gigantic information processing mechanisms in the control of our government coupled with the physically cohersive potential of that goernment makes the difference between people putting up cameras and government doing it a huge difference.

 

[ElroyJetson]

George Orwell would take a good look at the overall situation today and say, "I never imagined that it would not be the government that would place the people under constant surveillance, when in fact it is quite evident that the people themselves are the ones doing most of the surveillance."

Drones, home security systems, dashcams, smartphones, social media with facial recognition software, we're surveilling ourselves!

 

[SCPD]

George Orwell would take a good look at the overall situation today and say, "I never imagined that it would not be the government that would place the people under constant surveillance, when in fact it is quite evident that the people themselves are the ones doing most of the surveillance."

Drones, home security systems, dashcams, smartphones, social media with facial recognition software, we're surveilling ourselves!

That's what I don't understand is when people go on the paranoid loop of law enforcement or government watching they themself post every status update to selfies with gps enabled or geo location within the image on devices it cannot be shut off self reporting to public daily events and plans they have. Yet it's a big hiss fit when a local pd utilizes a drone for events or crowds. I remember when mobile command wagons got camera systems as a common thing not just large entities and were deployed at events for coordination between many entities utilizing cameras that boom upward above the command unit. Boy did people make a big hiss fit. Meanwhile they posted on new social beginning sites trips plans selfies and in the home pictures for world to see everything to vacation plans and hey look at this new thing I got etc to self guns n ammo selfies. Funny how social media sells the self exposure I want to be important to.

 

[SCPD]

Some of us don't prefer to live in a police/surveillance state and guard our liberty rather jealously.

The majority and most times law enforcement utilize devices as such are for typically to get a upper hand on a crime ridden area or problem person who has set numerous bells and whistles off. Not someone basic. On a daily basis you are filmed or snap shot by home cameras watching the street to stores and restaurants. Heck google earth exposes to world information and with that most counties and cities have go location maps with the home owner information and address to details on the property he or she owns or leases with the names of the leaser. It's becomming more common and that is private sector doing. Nobody seems to care. But oh boy the thuggies on the block be up to some shenanigans and metro installs a couple cams to catch these persons involved in theft and narcotics or sensors to detect certain items everyone goes on the police state alert. At the same time a lone gunman or group attack a crowd of people everyone plays dumb saying why and how did it get this far. Easy. Everyone was so self worried of something they do behind the closed doors thinking it's out on the pole because of them creating a stink and the law stops or halts that line of detection and gee. We all knew well allot of us anyway did that technology would open many doors that to some seem uneasy but meanwhile they self film with go pros ion cams, and body cams with own kids and family posting on social media and sites while friends of friends share it making it public for all to see. I'd be more worried about marketing and those stars who sell the idea to self incriminate or self document then law enforcement using cams or sensors to detect criminals and crime problem locations. It reminds of a few things such as the cbp videos people go on with inland stations. It isn't to take away freedoms or papers please. If you live in certain areas and aren't a "sheep" like one mentions above when most are anyway you don't see the reality of why those exist and ehat occurs media and news isn't showing or told. Obviously good reasons with fighting crime and the problems existing most would freak out on. The fantasy tv and radio networks sell dear and profit good off fear. This fear is a police state, doomsday, prepping. You'd be surprised how much revenue those generate and people like jones rank in the bucks in a hard economy. I forgot to add the zombie thing sells too now more then ever. I don't need to watch that junk. I see it on a daily and nightly basis just walking outside.

 

[Hans13]

That's what I don't understand is when people go on the paranoid loop of law enforcement or government watching they themself post every status update to selfies with gps enabled or geo location within the image on devices it cannot be shut off self reporting to public daily events and plans they have. Yet it's a big hiss fit when a local pd utilizes a drone for events or crowds. I remember when mobile command wagons got camera systems as a common thing not just large entities and were deployed at events for coordination between many entities utilizing cameras that boom upward above the command unit. Boy did people make a big hiss fit. Meanwhile they posted on new social beginning sites trips plans selfies and in the home pictures for world to see everything to vacation plans and hey look at this new thing I got etc to self guns n ammo selfies. Funny how social media sells the self exposure I want to be important to.

One answer, should you choose to actually consider it, is posted just two above... http://forums.radioreference.com/2557801-post27.html

Additionally, not all of us willingly engage in the activities you have described. Just because some choose to use heroine doesn't mean we all must embrace it.

Notice, with the exception of sheep reference, I've been fairly civil about it without slinging insults. I've noticed that statists today have difficulty in defending their position or explain their logic without insults. That's the mark of a weak argument.

The simple answer is that I value my liberty above everything else. Therefore, I want a weak government. I don't want one that is all-knowing and all-powerful.

 

[Voyager]

Am I the only person who caught that there was a GUN shop in a local plaza in the direction it was looking? Hmmm... ATF watching a gun shop (potentially). Sometimes you don't need wild theories about what it's there for.

I agree about the transformer disguise. And I'm sure somewhere there is a federal law that allows federal agencies to do things without notifying people first.

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-ph...ed-box-on-phoenix-utility-pole-belongs-to-atf

 

[Hans13]

The majority and most times law enforcement utilize devices as such are for typically to get a upper hand on a crime ridden area or problem person who has set numerous bells and whistles off. Not someone basic.

I oppose warrantless intrusions by government.

On a daily basis you are filmed or snap shot by home cameras watching the street to stores and restaurants. Heck google earth exposes to world information and with that most counties and cities have go location maps with the home owner information and address to details on the property he or she owns or leases with the names of the leaser. It's becomming more common and that is private sector doing.

That's not government. I don't like it but individuals are free to do so and I wouldn't want to infringe upon their liberty. I would complain and protest it but I wouldn't deny their rights to do it.

Nobody seems to care. But oh boy the thuggies on the block be up to some shenanigans and metro installs a couple cams to catch these persons involved in theft and narcotics or sensors to detect certain items everyone goes on the police state alert.

By definition, a police/surveillance state involves government. What governments do and what individuals do are apples and oranges.

At the same time a lone gunman or group attack a crowd of people everyone plays dumb saying why and how did it get this far.

Not me or those with which I regularly associate. We recognize that with freedom comes risk. They are inseparable. We have our own responsibilities individually to reduce risk wherever possible within reason, but, risk is part of being free.

Easy. Everyone was so self worried of something they do behind the closed doors thinking it's out on the pole because of them creating a stink and the law stops or halts that line of detection and gee.

Not everyone. Some of us aren't afraid of freedom. Quite a few of us (not me) came from former communist/socialist/totalitarian countries and are horrified by what the People are allowing government to get away with today.

Obviously good reasons with fighting crime and the problems existing most would freak out on.

You know where people say that the road paved with good intentions leads. Trading liberty for perceived safety is an ancient and foolish bargain.