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New in the box APX eBay sale.

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kinglou0

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Ya know how everyone talks about "tags tags tags" when it comes to buying and selling motorola radios? Well now tags are printed to fufill that need. Its been going on since at least XTS years, probably earlier.

Wasn't this the same seller who was hawking new in the box XTS5000s back in 2020? Same deal, brown box specials claiming to be brand new factory XTS5000s in 2020. Its definitely the same guy who bought that box of tagless APX900s last year or so, same missing tags black vent ports. You can tell they were run thru the ringer since the vent port is black as crap, supposed to be white. "Factory new open box" Sure sure..I'm surprised those didn't get new labels

"THE SUPER COOL CODEPLUG" LOL ohhh ahhh
It’s crap like this that has led me to stop looking for the unicorn “NOS” open box radios on eBay or any other number of sites. No thing as a free lunch and all that jazz…

Either I save my shekels and fork out for a new radio from a dealer I can trust or buy surplus radios that I can find OEM parts for.

My latest addiction is the Mototrbo SL radios. Don’t know what schools, hotels, and casinos are running these days but tons of used SL7550 and SL300’s are popping up. Plenty of OEM parts at decent enough prices that I don’t need to mess with ChiCom ripoffs. Not that I have ever seen Chinese parts for any of the SL series.

Just got (3) 7550e UHF1 radios for a very good price. These make excellent radios for when you want to play radio but can’t show up to a sales call/work with a HT hanging off your belt. Blends in really well on my belt sitting in the holster or I can just slip it into a pocket.
 

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So if a Motorola radio has brand new bones and has fake tags what is the problem really if you think about it. As long as the bones are a 100 percent legit the tags do not matter if they are legit or fake in all reality but I do get it. Some people build parts radios. The same as Motorola would do it. Everything is built from parts and then everything is connected with cables.

Also, I heard if you send in a radio to the depot for repair Motorola will repair any kind of their radios as long as its not a stolen radio. Tags or no tags for 950.00 bucks flat fee for anything including any of the main boards and the MACE and so on. Thats what I heard. Is that true or not?

I went to go pet the pony but I did not have enough money to purchase an APX 8000. I think I will just keep waiting to purchase the APX NEXT when they flood Ebay in the next year or two. Those are some really nice radios. APX 8000 bones and an Android OS with a touch screen.
 

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So if a Motorola radio has brand new bones and has fake tags what is the problem really if you think about it. As long as the bones are a 100 percent legit the tags do not matter if they are legit or fake in all reality but I do get it. Some people build parts radios. The same as Motorola would do it. Everything is built from parts and then everything is connected with cables.

Also, I heard if you send in a radio to the depot for repair Motorola will repair any kind of their radios as long as its not a stolen radio. Tags or no tags for 950.00 bucks flat fee for anything including any of the main boards and the MACE and so on. Thats what I heard. Is that true or not?

I went to go pet the pony but I did not have enough money to purchase an APX 8000. I think I will just keep waiting to purchase the APX NEXT when they flood Ebay in the next year or two. Those are some really nice radios. APX 8000 bones and an Android OS with a touch screen.
Because it's not a legitimate product per Ebay's "new" condition. Read their terms. An item FACTORY NEW (not "seller refurbished"). The sellr is a lying turd.

What you heard about the depot is false. If they cannot determine provenance of a radio than they can refuse to flat rate it or your time and materials rate or refuse to service it at all.

APX NEXT? Unless you work for an agency, you are SOL. Dream on and go back to playing with your parts built XTS/XTL from those wonderful shadetree teknishun Ebay junk peddlers. Just don't overpay for trash can radios.
 

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It’s crap like this that has led me to stop looking for the unicorn “NOS” open box radios on eBay or any other number of sites. No thing as a free lunch and all that jazz…

Either I save my shekels and fork out for a new radio from a dealer I can trust or buy surplus radios that I can find OEM parts for.

My latest addiction is the Mototrbo SL radios. Don’t know what schools, hotels, and casinos are running these days but tons of used SL7550 and SL300’s are popping up. Plenty of OEM parts at decent enough prices that I don’t need to mess with ChiCom ripoffs. Not that I have ever seen Chinese parts for any of the SL series.

Just got (3) 7550e UHF1 radios for a very good price. These make excellent radios for when you want to play radio but can’t show up to a sales call/work with a HT hanging off your belt. Blends in really well on my belt sitting in the holster or I can just slip it into a pocket.
So if a Motorola radio has brand new bones and has fake tags what is the problem really if you think about it. As long as the bones are a 100 percent legit the tags do not matter if they are legit or fake in all reality but I do get it. Some people build parts radios. The same as Motorola would do it. Everything is built from parts and then everything is connected with cables.

Also, I heard if you send in a radio to the depot for repair Motorola will repair any kind of their radios as long as its not a stolen radio. Tags or no tags for 950.00 bucks flat fee for anything including any of the main boards and the MACE and so on. Thats what I heard. Is that true or not?

I went to go pet the pony but I did not have enough money to purchase an APX 8000. I think I will just keep waiting to purchase the APX NEXT when they flood Ebay in the next year or two. Those are some really nice radios. APX 8000 bones and an Android OS with a touch screen.
The problem is 95% of the time with fake tags is the illegitimate representation - "NEW IN THE FACTORY BOX MOTOROLA APX 8000XE "FACTORY-NEW IN THE ORIGINAL BOX"..."NO DEPOT HAS TOUCHED THIS UNIT" "NEW IN THE BOX 3000 MAXIMUM CHANNELS NEVER PROGRAMMED BORN ON 12/20/2021" ....With clearly a "REPAIRED" UL tag with FM housing and 2018 serial number?
Only a slight mention of...... and my favorite ebay haxor term "professionally upgraded" not that but a "FULLY UPDATED ON 03/20/2023" whatever the hell that means on this FACTORY-NEW NEVER PROGRAMMED unit. and I've seen "real fake" tags before, bare basic info and the seller wasn't hunching over a magnifiying glass comparing font, size and spacing trying to make a counterfeit tag look a legitimate product.

I've bought NOS in the clamshell legitimate APX on ebay before. It was properly labeled, in factory container, didn't include a dozen repetitve promises to contrary evidence, and the flashcode was reasonable, it wasn't a complete whore flash like including FNDY emergency tone while indicating every box checked as they go down the list of creating a flashcode attempting to derive increased profit and the seller wasn't representing it as a "new factory box radio" polished in Armor All with a whore flash and numerous inconsistencies pointed out thru this thread.
 
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Yep. Legitimate radios with provenance can be had, reputable sellers like Sunny's Communications sell to gov's and have a full service shop with proper tools to properly service and PM subscribers, make repairs, firmware updates, etc. They are a legitimate business that sells primarily to government agencies and authorized end users.

Anyone who sells radios pre-programmed with other people's systems loaded up (NAS or otherwise) is shady. No legitimate two-way radio dealers pull that crap.

Buyers now know this so-called "new" radio is anything but, and hardly worth their inflated asking price. If one chooses to pay for it, that is one's choice. The info is now out there.
 

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Yep. Legitimate radios with provenance can be had, reputable sellers like Sunny's Communications sell to gov's and have a full service shop with proper tools to properly service and PM subscribers, make repairs, firmware updates, etc. They are a legitimate business that sells primarily to government agencies and authorized end users.

Anyone who sells radios pre-programmed with other people's systems loaded up (NAS or otherwise) is shady. No legitimate two-way radio dealers pull that crap.

Buyers now know this so-called "new" radio is anything but, and hardly worth their inflated asking price. If one chooses to pay for it, that is one's choice. The info is now out there.
What’s shady about NAS?
 

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What’s shady about NAS?
Programming NAS into ASTRO 25/APX CPS requires a system key. No one should have the system key except for the system admin and anyone they authorize.

Cue all the apologists and "it's no big deal, Motorola leaked the software!!1!!!" crowd in...3...2...1...
 
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Programming NAS into ASTRO 25/APX CPS requires a system key. No one should have the system key except for the system admin and anyone they authorize.

Cue all the apologists and "it's no big deal, Motorola leaked the software!!1!!!" crowd in...3...2...1...
That's why you buy a Harris radio. But these whackers have a bigger batwing tattoo on their backside than some of the Moto fanboys here so it'll always be a problem.
 

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That's why you buy a Harris radio. But these whackers have a bigger batwing tattoo on their backside than some of the Moto fanboys here so it'll always be a problem.
Let's be frank: the typical cosplay whacker doesn't want to tote a Harris. They want that Batwing logo like the po-po. Nothing else will do.
 
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