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New to DMR - Need Help Boosting Hytera Signal Between 3 Sites

nikga123

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Hi all,

I’m pretty new to two-way radios and DMR, so please bear with me. I’m trying to improve communication between three sites using a Hytera DMR repeater, and I’m struggling to figure out the best setup and equipment.

Here’s the setup:
  • Site A has a Hytera DMR repeater (exact model TBD—I can check if it helps). Its antenna is on a 200-foot tower and reaches Site B and Site C, but only to the upper floors of the buildings there.
  • At Sites B and C, I’m using 4W Hytera handhelds (PD602i, PD502i, PD362, and X1e), but they can’t reliably talk back to Site A, even from the upper floors.
My goal is to boost Site A’s signal to fully cover Sites B and C (not just upper floors) and enable the handhelds at B and C to reach Site A. I’ve read about repeaters, antennas, and linking systems, but I’m not sure what’s practical.

I’d really appreciate help with:
  • If I set up repeaters (or some sort of signal booster) at Sites B and C, what’s the best way to configure this? IP linking? Other options?
  • How can I improve Site A’s coverage to B and C—better antenna, more power, or something else? (I think I’m at max power already, but open to ideas.)
  • How do I get 3-4W handhelds at B and C to reach Site A—repeaters, boosters, or other tricks?
  • Any specific Hytera gear (or compatible equipment) you’d recommend?
  • Tips for a newbie—I’m still learning the ropes!
I’d appreciate to hear what’s worked for you or any pitfalls to avoid. Thanks so much for any advice.
 

mmckenna

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I’d really appreciate help with:
  • If I set up repeaters (or some sort of signal booster) at Sites B and C, what’s the best way to configure this? IP linking? Other options?
  • How can I improve Site A’s coverage to B and C—better antenna, more power, or something else? (I think I’m at max power already, but open to ideas.)
  • How do I get 3-4W handhelds at B and C to reach Site A—repeaters, boosters, or other tricks?
  • Any specific Hytera gear (or compatible equipment) you’d recommend?
  • Tips for a newbie—I’m still learning the ropes!
I’d appreciate to hear what’s worked for you or any pitfalls to avoid. Thanks so much for any advice.

Sounds to me like the system was never designed to cover the B & C locations. Increasing transmitter power isn't going to make a noticeable difference, and it won't resolve the issue with the portables being able to connect back to the repeater.

These sorts of issues are where an experienced/insured consultant can be a good investment. You can ask questions on hobby radio sites and throw money at the problem and hope you get lucky, or you pay for a professional to look at the entire system and use modeling software to design something that actually works right the first time.

Not sure what country you are located in, but most require licensing and the license will dictate where the repeaters can be located and what transmitter power can be used. Adding more repeaters, or even relocating the one you have, will require a license modification. In the US, that will require frequency coordination as well as the license application.


From what you describe, it either sounds like the repeater is in a location that's not well suited for the coverage, or someone changed the desired coverage area after it was installed.
Couple of things that a trained professional would consider:
-Move the existing repeater to a better location. This isn't a random move. A good consultant would use the modeling software to choose the correct location, antenna height, antenna design and transmit power.
-Add additional receivers and use a voter to improve the talk in from the portables
-Add additional repeaters and link them together. This could be a simulcast system, or a multi-channel system.

None of those solutions are something you can really design yourself. It takes the right tools to design such a system, and it gets really expensive really fast if you try to randomly select equipment and assemble something without the proper experience, tools or test equipment. None of this is plug and play, off the shelf solutions.

Sounds like you need to set some expectations with your employer. They need to understand that this sort of work isn't for the untrained/inexperienced and that hiring a professional will be much cheaper in the long run.

There's been a number of posts like yours in the past. End result is that no one can help you design a system like this remotely. It really does take a professional to solve these sorts of issues.
 

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Maybe coordinates so we can see it on Google Earth so as to not be shooting blindly in the dark. Multi site trunk is the solid solution connected by link radios or microwave if more reliability than internet is needed.
Sounds to me like the system was never designed to cover the B & C locations. Increasing transmitter power isn't going to make a noticeable difference, and it won't resolve the issue with the portables being able to connect back to the repeater.
 

nikga123

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Thanks very much for the above responses. All very valuable to me.

I am in the USA, in Los Angeles to be precise. I have a license for the current repeater I have and technically it's coverage includes both the site B and C locations (they are both within the radius of the repeater license). Both sites can receive signal from the repeater, except in the lower floors of "site C." This I am sure is due to attenuation caused from various buildings that are in the way between site A and C. Site B is closer and receives signal but with a 4W handheld, you can only talk back to the repeater if you are on the roof. You cannot hit the repeater from site C unless you are on the top floor and even this is spotty.

I understand that if I will be adding repeaters I will need to license these or modify my current license.

I will look further into IP transit as an option.

Thanks for all the advice and any further advice you all can give.
 

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Thanks very much for the above responses. All very valuable to me.

I am in the USA, in Los Angeles to be precise. I have a license for the current repeater I have and technically it's coverage includes both the site B and C locations (they are both within the radius of the repeater license).

OK, got it.
Keep in mind that the license will show the repeater at a specific location. The license, as it stands, only allows the repeater to exist at that point with the antenna at a specific height, with a specific gain and a specific power output. Any changes to those will require relicensing.

Both sites can receive signal from the repeater, except in the lower floors of "site C." This I am sure is due to attenuation caused from various buildings that are in the way between site A and C.

OK, not uncommon. More power will not necessarily fix this. This will likely require the repeater to be moved, or it'll require a second repeater.

Site B is closer and receives signal but with a 4W handheld, you can only talk back to the repeater if you are on the roof.

This situation is where a voted receiver at the Site B location would help. That voted receiver would hear the hand held radios in that location and feed the audio back to the repeater. That can be done over IP.

You cannot hit the repeater from site C unless you are on the top floor and even this is spotty.

Again, a voted receiver might help, but if the repeater cannot reach into Site C, then you need a second repeater.


I'd recommend reaching out to whoever installed the system initially. Sounds like the needs have changed and a redesign will be necessary. With newer digital systems, it's much easier than it once was, but still not an off the shelf/plug-n-play thing.
 

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I'd recommend reaching out to whoever installed the system initially. Sounds like the needs have changed and a redesign will be necessary. With newer digital systems, it's much easier than it once was, but still not an off the shelf/plug-n-play thing.
Thanks. You've been very helpful. The installations were all done in-house, before my time. And I don't think there was any idea to have a multi-site setup at that point (the repeater works well for the local complex of buildings at Site A). But I agree, a redesign is probably needed by someone who knows what they are doing. In the mean time, I will look into a voted receiver or using IP Transit with HM series radios, as suggested by @YL3IM.
 
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