No More Archievs??

[tmbstn]

Greetings: This is NOT a complaint just looking for some clairifaction. I live in SW ON and subscribe to the Waterloo Regional Pol/Fire/EMS Feed. As of the 11 of this month I noticed the feed provider is no longer providing Feed Archives. So I inquired to the provider as to the reason for this and was told that due to the tragic death of a York Regional Police Officer and the re-broadcasting of his final radio transmissions by a number of Media agencies (through the use of RR) that archiving will no longer take place. I looked into a niumber of my other feeds in ON, and they are still archiving. So I am just a little unsure of what is going on. The Waterloo Region Feed is Awesome, and we are very lucky to have such a dedicated provider, I just wonder if anyone has any further info re: this matter. Thanking you in advance:
~Jeremy

 

[GTR8000]

So I inquired to the provider as to the reason for this and was told that due to the tragic death of a York Regional Police Officer and the re-broadcasting of his final radio transmissions by a number of Media agencies (through the use of RR) that archiving will no longer take place.

You contacted the feed provider directly, and he gave you his reason. What more do you want to know?

RadioReference allows feed providers to choose whether or not their feeds have an archive available. In this case, the person who voluntarily provides the feed chose to have that option disabled. The same was done with the Peel Regional Police feed after the same incident involving the York officer.

http://forums.radioreference.com/live-audio-administration/215949-archives-question.html

It is what it is, and no one here is going to be able to give you any further clarification than you already got from the guy who runs the feed.

 

[tmbstn]

Chauffeuf6:
I am not a feed provider and stated that I am very thankful for the excellent feed we have in Waterloo Region. My question was why most archives are still up and running (Inc:York) and Waterloo has been discontinued. It was NOT explained to me that each feed provided has control over the archives. I thought that maybe there was some new regulation passed ect. and only seeking the input and positive guidance of other RR subscribers. In no way was my intention to stir debate as to the right/wrong of archiving. My understanding is that these threads are here for those who have questions wish to discuss radio related information. Thank-you for the reply.
Note: RR Admin. should delete under Premium Sub. "Access to all live audio broadcast archives" if this is no longer going to be the case.

 

[VE3RADIO]

Chauffeuf6:

Note: RR Admin. should delete under Premium Sub. "Access to all live audio broadcast archives" if this is no longer going to be the case.

Are you serious? You realize the feeds are put up by volunteers right? If I have a feed and don't want to take the legal risk of archives, who are you to tell me no? If I had a feed I would just take it down.

 

[bwjmackie]

Chauffeuf6:
Note: RR Admin. should delete under Premium Sub. "Access to all live audio broadcast archives" if this is no longer going to be the case.

Just playing devil's advocate here.... Technically, the above still stands. Premium subscribers will continue to have access to all archives, but not all feeds will be archived. So, if the feed has an archive, then you can access it.

That said, I think removing the archive for the Waterloo Region feed is a bit of a knee-jerk over-response. The problem is with how the media chose to use the archive, not that the archive existed. Unfortunately though, that's how a lot of things work in this society... Good things exist only until one bad apple spoils it for everyone.

 

[tmbstn]

Are you serious? You realize the feeds are put up by volunteers right? If I have a feed and don't want to take the legal risk of archives, who are you to tell me no? If I had a feed I would just take it down.

WZ1 Yes I am serious. If you took the time to read my post I had only praise and positive feedback for feed providers. Furthermore I am well aware they are Volunteers. My QUOTE of "Access to all live audio broadcast archives" comes straight from the RR homepage RE: upgrade sales of premium subscriptions and what is included. once again I will state my love of RR and for the countless volunteers that make the wheels turn.

 

[GTR8000]

Access to all live audio broadcast archives

That statement is 100% accurate. Premium subscribers have access to the archives of all live feeds. It just so happens that not all live feeds have archives. Nowhere in that statement or elsewhere do they claim or advertise that all live feeds have archives. I think you're getting into semantics here because you're disappointed that your local feed(s) no longer archive the audio.

Now that being said, perhaps the statement should be changed to something like:

Access to all live audio broadcast archives (where available)

I also think it would be a good idea that for feeds where the archives are disabled, the Feed Archives icon and link should be disabled also, and shouldn't even appear anywhere on the feed page.

In any case, your question was asked and answered, first by the feed provider himself, with further explanation from me. No one is going to have any other answer for you. Aside from enforcing violations of the rules and terms of service, the admins have very little control over the live feeds.

 

[Chrome69]

he along with my feed have removed the Archives too all. We feel it was in the best interest too all, and had something to do with the York Region Police officers death and the Media...

 

[tmbstn]

Sure I am disappointed that the feed no longer provids archives. This does Not mean there is any thing wrong with the feed! I am not playing on word or using semantics at all, just stating fact. With all due respect Sir, you have no idea as to the conversation I had with the feed provider, nor the information or lack there of I reiceved. I just thought I would go and ask some of my fellow Ontario forum watchers their opnion and/or knowledge on the matter. Furthermore I do not understand why you feel the topic ends with your explanation, and why "no one else is going to have any other answer for you (me)". I was of the understanding these threads were for all questions, novice or pro. However I thank-you for your opnion and am very sorry for any misunderstanding I may have caused.

 

[tampabaynews]

Jeremy, I perfectly understood your original post and think you said it with as much tact as possible. But that's not good enough for some people. Don't apologize to anyone.

Yes we all know that a provider can remove a feed at will (feeds alone are FREE). But I did not know that feed providers had the ability to disable archiving until I read this thread. One would assume that all feeds have archives and a subscriber would have access to all them via a RR subscription.

Honestly, I subscribe for the web import ability into my scanner software (I love it), and if found out certain agencies weren't available for web import and wasn't warned I'd probably let my subscription expire.

Surely others have had the same question but were too skiddish to ask. Wonder why?